F1 2017
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Walty McWaltface
C4 say the 3 drivers have just been called into the stewards for a chat.....
1%er
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For sure Red Bull would have put in a protest
Limejuice
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spitfire
Walty McWaltface
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Silly Rabbit
Ax^
Silly Rabbit
alsoknownas
some bloke
Hell of a photo:
Seems it was some rouge team member that put that out.
Limejuice
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It's the sort of humour people come out with when they feel in the wrong. "Your honour, the bouncer viciously assaulted my fist with his nose."
Someone trying to introduce a bit of levity, perhaps?
Or just an arsehole.
alsoknownas
some bloke
My view of that was that Verstappen made a minute reaction to Vettel sliding across, which brought him into the path of Räikkönen's left rear. Seems like both Ferraris were trying to squeeze him simultaneously, which doesn't really work, does it?
eta: Actually I'm already revising that - don't think Verstappen did much wrong at all.
eta: Actually I'm already revising that - don't think Verstappen did much wrong at all.
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Ax^
Silly Rabbit
hipipol
Peckham Wry
well, at the front the race was over in a matter of seconds, bits of overtaking lower down the field....but after THAT start, everyone in points paying position was timid as hell merely making sure the car stayed on the track. In order to finish first etc makes sense but was well dull
1%er
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Honda have found a voice
Honda’s chief motorsport director Masashi Yamamoto has claimed McLaren don’t adapt to change efficiently. In an interview conducted after the Singapore race he criticized the McLaren's attitude, whilst praising new customers Toro Rosso, hinting that they can offer more adaptability. “Working with McLaren, I’ve realized that they are a very big company which is very systematic, it’s obviously very strong because of that but at the same time they can find it hard to adapt to change. Compare that to Toro Rosso, it is a company that is growing. It is very important for us to work in partnership together, heading towards the same goal. Take this for an example: If we compare both teams with different cuisines, let’s say McLaren is a very sophisticated French cuisine, that’s the way it is. Then Toro Rosso is more like a countryside, homemade delicious stew where you can add new ingredients. We’re excited to do that”.
He went on to say "the regulations go on until 2020 so we still have three years and we want to show our improvements in the technology. We want to show Honda’s potential. First, Mr. Tost [Toro Rosso team principal] knows a lot about Japan. He understands the culture and it’s a good communication that we have. We have seen that they also have a young factory and are growing, which for Honda is very important because we can work with the same mentality and have the same approach. It is a new start with a team with a similar mindset to move forwards together.”
Yamamoto pinpointed the importance of this to Honda’s name, wanting to show the world their ability to progress and succeed. These comments come in the wake of speculation that Toro Rosso’s parent team Red Bull may be one of their customers from 2019, potentially bringing Honda back towards the front of the grid.
Aston Martin to become Red Bull's title sponsor for 2018?
Aston Martin chief executive Andy Palmer said on Sunday "We want to be more involved in the sport, we're currently studying the 2021 engine. If we get a reasonable regulation that brings down the cost of the engine, Aston would like to be involved in the engine. And then of course we'd like to be involved a little more next season and then join the dots. But it really depends on what happens with the engine regs".
Andy Palmer has a history with Red Bull, he is a former Nissan executive and was a key figure in negotiating just such a previous deal for the Japanese manufacturer's Infiniti brand. Red Bull already have Aston Martin advertising on their cars, but it is thought that they may become the title sponsor for the team from 2018 with an eye on supplying engines from 2021.
As mentioned above I think this is a very ambitious project for such a small car company, Aston Martin isn't a wealthy company and until very recently used AMG engines [Mercedes own AMG] in their cars, they have just built their own V12 for their road car, but developing and building an engine for F1 is going to be massively expensive and a very differently kettle of fish. I hope they succeed and we see an Anton Martin manufacture team on the grid after 2021 having brought-out Red Bull.
Honda’s chief motorsport director Masashi Yamamoto has claimed McLaren don’t adapt to change efficiently. In an interview conducted after the Singapore race he criticized the McLaren's attitude, whilst praising new customers Toro Rosso, hinting that they can offer more adaptability. “Working with McLaren, I’ve realized that they are a very big company which is very systematic, it’s obviously very strong because of that but at the same time they can find it hard to adapt to change. Compare that to Toro Rosso, it is a company that is growing. It is very important for us to work in partnership together, heading towards the same goal. Take this for an example: If we compare both teams with different cuisines, let’s say McLaren is a very sophisticated French cuisine, that’s the way it is. Then Toro Rosso is more like a countryside, homemade delicious stew where you can add new ingredients. We’re excited to do that”.
He went on to say "the regulations go on until 2020 so we still have three years and we want to show our improvements in the technology. We want to show Honda’s potential. First, Mr. Tost [Toro Rosso team principal] knows a lot about Japan. He understands the culture and it’s a good communication that we have. We have seen that they also have a young factory and are growing, which for Honda is very important because we can work with the same mentality and have the same approach. It is a new start with a team with a similar mindset to move forwards together.”
Yamamoto pinpointed the importance of this to Honda’s name, wanting to show the world their ability to progress and succeed. These comments come in the wake of speculation that Toro Rosso’s parent team Red Bull may be one of their customers from 2019, potentially bringing Honda back towards the front of the grid.
Aston Martin to become Red Bull's title sponsor for 2018?
Aston Martin chief executive Andy Palmer said on Sunday "We want to be more involved in the sport, we're currently studying the 2021 engine. If we get a reasonable regulation that brings down the cost of the engine, Aston would like to be involved in the engine. And then of course we'd like to be involved a little more next season and then join the dots. But it really depends on what happens with the engine regs".
Andy Palmer has a history with Red Bull, he is a former Nissan executive and was a key figure in negotiating just such a previous deal for the Japanese manufacturer's Infiniti brand. Red Bull already have Aston Martin advertising on their cars, but it is thought that they may become the title sponsor for the team from 2018 with an eye on supplying engines from 2021.
As mentioned above I think this is a very ambitious project for such a small car company, Aston Martin isn't a wealthy company and until very recently used AMG engines [Mercedes own AMG] in their cars, they have just built their own V12 for their road car, but developing and building an engine for F1 is going to be massively expensive and a very differently kettle of fish. I hope they succeed and we see an Anton Martin manufacture team on the grid after 2021 having brought-out Red Bull.
Supine
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1%er
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I have to say when I read Masashi Yamamoto comments I could hear Ross Brawn in my head saying, Japanese motor manufactures have always had a problem with the speed at which F1 moves their company culture is so very different, so making decision without ideas going up and down the full chain of command is foreign to them. He even comments about it in the book "Total competition" written with Adam Parr (and he should know better than anyone having run Honda's F1 team). I will be very interested to see how they get on with Toro Rosso next season and with Red Bull in 2019.
Red Bull it seems have no other option than to move to Honda in 2019 as the other manufactures have said they will not supply them and because they already each supply 3 other teams have no obligation to do so under FIA rules. This will mean that Red Bull will be putting a great deal of work into improving the Honda power-unit as soon as they possibly can. Clearly they have a very good understand of the Renault power-unit as they have consistently beaten the works team.
The only problems I can foresee is the commitment of Dietrich Mateschitz who it seems has fallen out of love with F1 (if all the press reports are to be believed) and doesn't want to continue past 2021. Also what about Aston Martin? If there chief executive Andy Palmer is to be believed they will be supplying power-unit to Red Bull after 2021, so Honda's commitment to Red Bull is likely to only be for 2 years.
Limejuice
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My own experience working for Japanese corporates matches Ross Brawn's comments exactly.
They aren't decisive, fast-action places. Unless a more senior manager expresses a preference, they talk and cogitate for a consensus to emerge. Don't get me wrong, there are some great positives that follow that management style.
But speed and adaptability?
Not really.
They aren't decisive, fast-action places. Unless a more senior manager expresses a preference, they talk and cogitate for a consensus to emerge. Don't get me wrong, there are some great positives that follow that management style.
But speed and adaptability?
Not really.
1%er
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Changed to the 2018 calendar
It seems that there is going to be a change to the 2018 calendar because the Chinese GP currently falls on the same weekend as Qingming Festival (the day people visit the graves of their ancestors), so they will switch it with the Bahrain GP. These two races are back to back next season. Later this week the FIA World Council meets in Paris and they will decide if the switch can be made.
Is Fiat Chrysler about to spin-off Maserati-Alfa Romeo
Reports in the Italian press are claiming that Sergio Marchionne is going to sell shares in Maserati-Alfa Romeo in an effort to raise $7billion to reduce the debt held by the Fiat Chrysler. The success of the Ferrari flotation where the shares have risen by 130% in the last 12 months appear to show floating Maserati-Alfa Romeo could be a good idea and having them in F1 would make them a better option.
It seems that Ferrari are looking at having a junior team like Red Bull with Toro Rosso, the report claims that Sergio Marchionne and Ferrari’s Maurizio Arrivabene visited Sauber and explored talks about buying the team from its new owners. Also those who follow this thread will recall that Ferrari engine designer Lorenzo Sassi who left the team a short while ago, went to work elsewhere within the Fiat Chrysler group is now working for Alfa Romeo.
It could also help Ferrari politically to own another team, it seem clear that the Ferrari veto is likely to go under the new management of Formula 1 and that the distribution of revenues to teams will also change, with Ferrari loosing it special payments, so having two teams they would have two votes on any rule changes and while having no veto they would have more influence.
It seems that there is going to be a change to the 2018 calendar because the Chinese GP currently falls on the same weekend as Qingming Festival (the day people visit the graves of their ancestors), so they will switch it with the Bahrain GP. These two races are back to back next season. Later this week the FIA World Council meets in Paris and they will decide if the switch can be made.
Is Fiat Chrysler about to spin-off Maserati-Alfa Romeo
Reports in the Italian press are claiming that Sergio Marchionne is going to sell shares in Maserati-Alfa Romeo in an effort to raise $7billion to reduce the debt held by the Fiat Chrysler. The success of the Ferrari flotation where the shares have risen by 130% in the last 12 months appear to show floating Maserati-Alfa Romeo could be a good idea and having them in F1 would make them a better option.
It seems that Ferrari are looking at having a junior team like Red Bull with Toro Rosso, the report claims that Sergio Marchionne and Ferrari’s Maurizio Arrivabene visited Sauber and explored talks about buying the team from its new owners. Also those who follow this thread will recall that Ferrari engine designer Lorenzo Sassi who left the team a short while ago, went to work elsewhere within the Fiat Chrysler group is now working for Alfa Romeo.
It could also help Ferrari politically to own another team, it seem clear that the Ferrari veto is likely to go under the new management of Formula 1 and that the distribution of revenues to teams will also change, with Ferrari loosing it special payments, so having two teams they would have two votes on any rule changes and while having no veto they would have more influence.
