1%er
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We all know Toto has Max's Dad phone numberI can almost hear Christian Horner saying to Toto: "Max is under contract and he's going nowhere."
F1 2017
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Limejuice
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It all reminds me of the time Lewis criticised Nico for not having the same fire in his belly; that he was a privileged Monaco boy while Lewis came from a council estate on the bumcheek of nowhere.
It seems that Nico really wanted to tick off World Champion Like My Pappy from his bucket list. It was an accolade he wanted, not a demonstration of his racing skills.
A real racer would be an addict. They don't retire; they just run out of rides and fast reactions.
Limejuice
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Maybe he's changed phones since DadPhoneGate.We all know Toto has Max's Dad phone number
weltweit
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Good luck to him, he succeeded in his main goal, I think this year was quite tough for him, so what if he doesn't feel the need to continue. There will be plenty of advertising opportunities in the next year for him to make a little more money, though I doubt he needs it.
1%er
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I can't see Max jumping ship from Red Bull, they will have a car designed by Newey next season and Aero will be far more important in 2017 than this season. Red Bull have also shown they are getting their power-unit together, I don't think the PU will be as good as Mercedes but the car could be better on Aerodynamics giving them the second a lap they need.
1%er
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Fuck me! My old lady has just made a bet with our youngest that Felipe Nasr will get the drive, R$5,000 
He has a free-roll as he'll never pay if he looses but for sure she'll have to pay if he wins 
Who could get the drive? Well Pascal Wehrlein could as he hasn't signed for Manor yet I don't think, all the other big names have contracts and I don't think they'll want to move [this year], so maybe Mercedes will go with someone on a one year contract as most of the top drivers will be free for 2018.
I'll have a bet with anyone who gives me decent odds that Lewis will win the drivers championship and Red Bull will win the constructors, I'll take 5 to 1 on a $50 bet
(Money to be lodged before testing with Limejuice if he has a paypal account, I trust him he seems like a honest bloke)
He has a free-roll as he'll never pay if he looses but for sure she'll have to pay if he wins Who could get the drive? Well Pascal Wehrlein could as he hasn't signed for Manor yet I don't think, all the other big names have contracts and I don't think they'll want to move [this year], so maybe Mercedes will go with someone on a one year contract as most of the top drivers will be free for 2018.
I'll have a bet with anyone who gives me decent odds that Lewis will win the drivers championship and Red Bull will win the constructors, I'll take 5 to 1 on a $50 bet
(Money to be lodged before testing with Limejuice if he has a paypal account, I trust him he seems like a honest bloke)
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hipipol
Peckham Wry
Max and Lewis?
In Mercs?
If I so I predict the 17 season
20 x first corner collision
Ricciardo champ
Limejuice
Well-Known Member
Is it enough to let me retire in Panama?
1%er
Well-Known Member
No, I don't trust you that much
You could live there for about a week, but only on basic rations.
Gromit
International Man of Misery
Betfair are giving 5/4.Fuck me! My old lady has just made a bet with our youngest that Felipe Nasr will get the drive, R$5,000
Who could get the drive? Well Pascal Wehrlein could as he hasn't signed for Manor yet I don't think, all the other big names have contracts and I don't think they'll want to move [this year], so maybe Mercedes will go with someone on a one year contract as most of the top drivers will be free for 2018.
I'll have a bet with anyone who gives me decent odds that Lewis will win the drivers championship and Red Bull will win the constructors, I'll take 5 to 1 on a $50 bet
(Money to be lodged before testing with Limejuice if he has a paypal account, I trust him he seems like a honest bloke)
5/1 would be daft.
1%er
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5/4 on the double? That's worse odds then a bet on Red Bull to win the constructors
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Limejuice
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Oh well, no point in nicking it then.No, I don't trust you that much
Not that I planned to, you understand.
Just considering... possibilities...
1%er
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You wouldn't be able to take your gaffer tape collection, so I'm guessing it would be a nonstarterOh well, no point in nicking it then.
Not that I planned to, you understand.
Just considering... possibilities...
Limejuice
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My gaffer tape collection is in a vault in the Cayman Islands.
1%er
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Niki Lauda (Link) claims Mercedes have already been contacted by half the drivers on the grid, but didn't say which half I'm not sure how much of a choice Mercedes will have, it all depend on drivers contracts and they will all be very different when it comes to get-out clauses. Clearly Mercedes can do a deal with any team and pay them to release a driver, but many of the top drivers will be out of contract at the end of next season anyway.
With Wehrlein having not signed any deal yet (or a deal hasn't been made public yet) I have a feeling the may go for him [I've read that he could be another Max given the right car], Ocon, a Mercedes driver may also have something in his contract that allows the team to call him back.
It is well known that Toto is a big fan of Alonso and has spoken before about having him drive for Mercedes, but he has a contract with McLaren. iirc Alonso is still co-managed by Flavio Briatore, so I'd be surprised if he doesn't have a clause in his contract that allows him to leave if he has an offer from a team that finishes in a better position in the constructors championship, but then McLaren [and Ron Dennis] are unlikely to have accepted such a clause and said so publicly back in 2015 when the team was struggling, I wonder who won that battle?
The bookies are giving these odds
Pascal Wehrlein - Evs
Fernando Alonso - 6/4
Esteban Ocon - 10/1
Jenson Button - 20/1
Max Verstappen - 20/1
Nico Hulkenberg - 33/1
Valtteri Bottas - 50/1
Jolyon Palmer - 50/1
Felipe Massa - 50/1
The Stig - 100/1
Jeremy Clarkson - 500/1
Chris Evans - 500/1
Shame Felipe Nasr isn't odds on and not even on the list
I'm not sure how much of a choice Mercedes will have, it all depend on drivers contracts and they will all be very different when it comes to get-out clauses. Clearly Mercedes can do a deal with any team and pay them to release a driver, but many of the top drivers will be out of contract at the end of next season anyway.With Wehrlein having not signed any deal yet (or a deal hasn't been made public yet) I have a feeling the may go for him [I've read that he could be another Max given the right car], Ocon, a Mercedes driver may also have something in his contract that allows the team to call him back.
It is well known that Toto is a big fan of Alonso and has spoken before about having him drive for Mercedes, but he has a contract with McLaren. iirc Alonso is still co-managed by Flavio Briatore, so I'd be surprised if he doesn't have a clause in his contract that allows him to leave if he has an offer from a team that finishes in a better position in the constructors championship, but then McLaren [and Ron Dennis] are unlikely to have accepted such a clause and said so publicly back in 2015 when the team was struggling, I wonder who won that battle?
The bookies are giving these odds
Pascal Wehrlein - Evs
Fernando Alonso - 6/4
Esteban Ocon - 10/1
Jenson Button - 20/1
Max Verstappen - 20/1
Nico Hulkenberg - 33/1
Valtteri Bottas - 50/1
Jolyon Palmer - 50/1
Felipe Massa - 50/1
The Stig - 100/1
Jeremy Clarkson - 500/1
Chris Evans - 500/1
Shame Felipe Nasr isn't odds on and not even on the list
alsoknownas
some bloke
How about this for F1 - teams as per - drivers as per - no driver/constructor links; drivers drive for a different team each meet. Yay! - genuine competition and intrigue ensue.
1%er
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French GP from 2018 confirmed
Christian Estrosi, the President of the Conseil Régionale de Provence Côté d’Azur, has confirmed that the French GP will return to the F1 calendar in 2018. the announcement was made at the glitzy Automobile Club de France in the Place de la Concorde in Paris. “I can confirm definitively that the French Grand Prix will return in the summer of 2018 at Paul Ricard”, he said. The contract is for five years. Apparently Renault chairman Jerome Stoll and CEO Cyril Abiteboul along with Eric Boullier played key rolls in bring the race back to France.
As was mentioned above Bernie owns Paul Ricard, so I'm sure he had some input Its reported that the race fee will be $22 million a year (I'm sure that will have the 10% annual increase built in) which is very cheep nowadays as some circuits pay as much as $68 million, but inline with other European races. Various Governments and regional bodies are expected to stump up around $15 million and tickets sales are expected to bring in $17 million, so maybe the race will cover its costs.
Could Bottas be about to join Mercedes
His odds have dropped from 50/1 on Sunday down to 4/1 today, why is that? Well Williams is a Mercedes power-unit team and also Toto is part owner of the company that manages him and there are also rumors doing the rounds.
Mercedes can't just approach a driver and say "we want you" if they are under contract, formula one has a Contract Recognition Board and all teams agree to the terms. So the team any driver is contracted too must agree to release the driver or they are unable to race for anyone else with-in F1.
Bottas isn't currently an expensive driver so Mercedes will not have to pay him anything like the money they would have had to pay Rosberg, so they could pay Williams to release him from his contract and pay Bottas (around $5 million) and still have change (Rosberg was on around $15 million basic plus about $30 millions in bonuses and sponsorship payments). They could also do a deal with Williams on the price of the power-unit supply. I'm not sure how long the deal between Mercedes and Williams is to supply power-units but that could also be a bargaining chip. Williams has clearly got to grips with the Mercedes power-unit as they are consistently fastest through the speed trap and if they could get their aero together could well be running nearer the front.
Other things that may be taken into account are that Williams finished 5th this season behind Force India so this will decrease the money they get from FOM for the next couple of years. Also Bottas will have to look at the length of the contract as many of the top drivers will be available in 2018 and I'm sure he would go for just 1 season (unless he has a contract with Ferrari from 2018). Mercedes need the best driver they can get as they want the constructors championship in 2017, but also they want Williams to have a strong driver line up so they can maybe take points from their rivals.
I think Pascal Wehrlein is still favorite (if they can't get Bottas) but they could try and buyout Carlos Sainz contract as he isn't likely to move up to the Red Bull team anytime soon and the only driver who has gone public about a “top team get-out clause" was Romain Grosjean when he signed for Haas, but iirc that was linked to a Ferrari drive but many not only be for them. There are lots of stories in the press quoting Toto saying "he would like Alonso, but he is under contract to McLaren" equally there are many stories in the press saying McLaren have said "Alonso has said he is happy where he is", well his contract is up at the end of 2017 so he along with other top drivers will be available then.
From a Brazil point of view, it could be good for Felipe Nasr if Bottas gets the Mercedes as I believe he would be the top pick to replace Bottas at Williams
Christian Estrosi, the President of the Conseil Régionale de Provence Côté d’Azur, has confirmed that the French GP will return to the F1 calendar in 2018. the announcement was made at the glitzy Automobile Club de France in the Place de la Concorde in Paris. “I can confirm definitively that the French Grand Prix will return in the summer of 2018 at Paul Ricard”, he said. The contract is for five years. Apparently Renault chairman Jerome Stoll and CEO Cyril Abiteboul along with Eric Boullier played key rolls in bring the race back to France.
As was mentioned above Bernie owns Paul Ricard, so I'm sure he had some input
Its reported that the race fee will be $22 million a year (I'm sure that will have the 10% annual increase built in) which is very cheep nowadays as some circuits pay as much as $68 million, but inline with other European races. Various Governments and regional bodies are expected to stump up around $15 million and tickets sales are expected to bring in $17 million, so maybe the race will cover its costs.Could Bottas be about to join Mercedes
His odds have dropped from 50/1 on Sunday down to 4/1 today, why is that? Well Williams is a Mercedes power-unit team and also Toto is part owner of the company that manages him and there are also rumors doing the rounds.
Mercedes can't just approach a driver and say "we want you" if they are under contract, formula one has a Contract Recognition Board and all teams agree to the terms. So the team any driver is contracted too must agree to release the driver or they are unable to race for anyone else with-in F1.
Bottas isn't currently an expensive driver so Mercedes will not have to pay him anything like the money they would have had to pay Rosberg, so they could pay Williams to release him from his contract and pay Bottas (around $5 million) and still have change (Rosberg was on around $15 million basic plus about $30 millions in bonuses and sponsorship payments). They could also do a deal with Williams on the price of the power-unit supply. I'm not sure how long the deal between Mercedes and Williams is to supply power-units but that could also be a bargaining chip. Williams has clearly got to grips with the Mercedes power-unit as they are consistently fastest through the speed trap and if they could get their aero together could well be running nearer the front.
Other things that may be taken into account are that Williams finished 5th this season behind Force India so this will decrease the money they get from FOM for the next couple of years. Also Bottas will have to look at the length of the contract as many of the top drivers will be available in 2018 and I'm sure he would go for just 1 season (unless he has a contract with Ferrari from 2018). Mercedes need the best driver they can get as they want the constructors championship in 2017, but also they want Williams to have a strong driver line up so they can maybe take points from their rivals.
I think Pascal Wehrlein is still favorite (if they can't get Bottas) but they could try and buyout Carlos Sainz contract as he isn't likely to move up to the Red Bull team anytime soon and the only driver who has gone public about a “top team get-out clause" was Romain Grosjean when he signed for Haas, but iirc that was linked to a Ferrari drive but many not only be for them. There are lots of stories in the press quoting Toto saying "he would like Alonso, but he is under contract to McLaren" equally there are many stories in the press saying McLaren have said "Alonso has said he is happy where he is", well his contract is up at the end of 2017 so he along with other top drivers will be available then.
From a Brazil point of view, it could be good for Felipe Nasr if Bottas gets the Mercedes as I believe he would be the top pick to replace Bottas at Williams
1%er
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Niki and Nico fight it out in German press
In Germany's Die Welt newspaper Niki Lauda and Nico Rosberg have a war or words.
Lauda says "What annoys me the most is that now Nico is telling us that he would have continued had he not won the world championship, This is something he could have at least hinted at when he signed his contract. In this case, we could have prepared a Plan B — we would have had to in order to be ready. But it is as it is. We all gave him the opportunity to become world champion in a fantastic car — and then he tells us he wants to retire. This has created a huge hole in this great working team. And we're left looking dumb".
Rosberg responded "Well the entire time I was talking a lot to Niki and he was completely different from the way he acts in the media, I think that is because of his disappointment, which I can understand. It's what made this decision the hardest for me because I know that I brought hard times upon my racing family. I knew that would happen, that was the hardest part and that is exactly why one hour after I decided to retire I told Toto Wolff, to give them as much time as possible to find an alternative. But to say I deserted the team? Well, not really. I can't only drive because of the team. And on top of that Niki quit during a race weekend in 1979 in the middle of the season and he was younger than me. Maybe he forgot about that".
Flavio Briatore rules-out Alonso at Mercedes
Briatore has made it clear that Alonso will not be driving for Mercedes in 2017, as his manager you'd expect him to know. "Fernando Alonso will not be in a Mercedes in 2017, granted, people always think of Fernando when a top car is free. But we have a contract and we will respect that".
Mercedes post advertisement in Autosport magazine
Mercedes posted a tongue-in-cheek job advertisement on Thursday as they seek a replacement for newly-retired Formula One world champion Nico Rosberg. The notice, similar in format to the usual automotive vacancies, was published in Britain's Autosport magazine under 'drive available' for the amusement of readers rather than any serious intent.
"As part of the travelling team, you will be responsible for the operation of an F1 car at track events including demos, tests and grands prix. Ideally, you will have a proven track record in skills including steering, braking and in particular, accelerating. Possession of an FIA Super Licence will be an advantage. The perks included subsidised restaurant facilities, life assurance, private medical cover, on-site gym and a company car lease scheme. Other required skills, apart from being "self-motivated with a strong desire for success", included showing 'extreme patience in the face of media attention' and being able to identify clearly the strengths and weaknesses of competitors.
Jenson Button MBE awarded honorary degree
Jenson Button now has an honorary degree in engineering to add to his list of achievements. He said: "I didn't go to university or work hard in my early years, but I would say that a lot of my achievements in motorsport are down to my engineering understanding of a racing car".
In Germany's Die Welt newspaper Niki Lauda and Nico Rosberg have a war or words.
Lauda says "What annoys me the most is that now Nico is telling us that he would have continued had he not won the world championship, This is something he could have at least hinted at when he signed his contract. In this case, we could have prepared a Plan B — we would have had to in order to be ready. But it is as it is. We all gave him the opportunity to become world champion in a fantastic car — and then he tells us he wants to retire. This has created a huge hole in this great working team. And we're left looking dumb".
Rosberg responded "Well the entire time I was talking a lot to Niki and he was completely different from the way he acts in the media, I think that is because of his disappointment, which I can understand. It's what made this decision the hardest for me because I know that I brought hard times upon my racing family. I knew that would happen, that was the hardest part and that is exactly why one hour after I decided to retire I told Toto Wolff, to give them as much time as possible to find an alternative. But to say I deserted the team? Well, not really. I can't only drive because of the team. And on top of that Niki quit during a race weekend in 1979 in the middle of the season and he was younger than me. Maybe he forgot about that".
Flavio Briatore rules-out Alonso at Mercedes
Briatore has made it clear that Alonso will not be driving for Mercedes in 2017, as his manager you'd expect him to know. "Fernando Alonso will not be in a Mercedes in 2017, granted, people always think of Fernando when a top car is free. But we have a contract and we will respect that".
Mercedes post advertisement in Autosport magazine
Mercedes posted a tongue-in-cheek job advertisement on Thursday as they seek a replacement for newly-retired Formula One world champion Nico Rosberg. The notice, similar in format to the usual automotive vacancies, was published in Britain's Autosport magazine under 'drive available' for the amusement of readers rather than any serious intent.
"As part of the travelling team, you will be responsible for the operation of an F1 car at track events including demos, tests and grands prix. Ideally, you will have a proven track record in skills including steering, braking and in particular, accelerating. Possession of an FIA Super Licence will be an advantage. The perks included subsidised restaurant facilities, life assurance, private medical cover, on-site gym and a company car lease scheme. Other required skills, apart from being "self-motivated with a strong desire for success", included showing 'extreme patience in the face of media attention' and being able to identify clearly the strengths and weaknesses of competitors.
Jenson Button MBE awarded honorary degree
Jenson Button now has an honorary degree in engineering to add to his list of achievements. He said: "I didn't go to university or work hard in my early years, but I would say that a lot of my achievements in motorsport are down to my engineering understanding of a racing car".
beesonthewhatnow
going deaf for a living
Worth posting the video of Jenson getting his degree. The audio is of a particularly high quality, the sound engineer responsible must be great
alsoknownas
some bloke
So loads of people can't afford to go Uni despite having the smarts, but we're awarding a symbolic degree to an already over-privileged millionaire? I'm not really celebrating or anything.
weltweit
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I expect Bath see it as just a bit of publicity.
beesonthewhatnow
going deaf for a living
Nah, they give out around 15 or so honorary degrees a year, to all sorts of people.
weltweit
Well-Known Member
I bet they don't get as much publicity though.
bi0boy
Power User
No one asked you to. I didn't celebrate your most recent birthday, whenever that was.
alsoknownas
some bloke
No, but then it wasn't particularly a kick in the teeth for those who can't afford a birthday.
1%er
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An Honorary Degree is give for a number of reason and the clue is in the name, it is given as an Honor. Recipients are requested not to use the term Dr. (other than in connection with the institution that awarded the honor) and if they use the degree on a CV it should be listed as an award not an academic qualification.
The reason Jenson was awarded the degree by Bath is under the heading "Persons with a local connection who have achieved a national or international reputation" (local person does good) for becoming a world champion in Formula 1 and third in the list for the number of grand prix races started.
Another local boy who has received an Honorary Degree is Christopher Holmes. After losing his sight overnight at the age of 14 Chris went on to become Britain’s most successful Paralympic swimmer, winning six gold medals at the Barcelona Games in 1992 and a further three at Atlanta in 1996 and Sydney in 2000.
It has nothing to do with people being able to afford to go to University, in this case, it is the University giving an Honor to a local person.
The reason Jenson was awarded the degree by Bath is under the heading "Persons with a local connection who have achieved a national or international reputation" (local person does good) for becoming a world champion in Formula 1 and third in the list for the number of grand prix races started.
Another local boy who has received an Honorary Degree is Christopher Holmes. After losing his sight overnight at the age of 14 Chris went on to become Britain’s most successful Paralympic swimmer, winning six gold medals at the Barcelona Games in 1992 and a further three at Atlanta in 1996 and Sydney in 2000.
It has nothing to do with people being able to afford to go to University, in this case, it is the University giving an Honor to a local person.
