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Anyone like a flutter? One of my Sons is going to the UK in July and I'm going to get him to place a bet for me on the driver line-up for 2018.

I was going to put a tenner on Vettel driving for Mercedes, Danny Ric driving for Ferrari and Alonso driving for Renault as an accumulator, but I've changed my mind to give me more options and decided to have a fiver on the above and a fiver on Vettel staying with Ferrari with Danny Ric and Alonso as above :)

Anyone know what sort of odd I'd get on those bets?
 
I'll give you 2/1 for the first one and 1/10 for the second
Those are not odds :) That's called theft ;)

I think I'd get better odds just on Vettel going to Mercedes than 2/1 never mind the other two drivers changing teams :thumbs:
 
Has Vettel signed a "pre-agreement" with Mercedes
A number of stories are appearing in the press claiming that Niki Lauda has told friends that Vettel has signed a pre-agreement contract to drive for Mercedes in 2018, clearly any such contract will have get-out clauses for both parties, so nothing is a given really. The story seems to have been started by Leo Turrini who is very close to Ferrari and has broken many stories about the team that have proved to be correct.

On his blog Quotidiano he claims "At the Barcelona's pre-season test, Niki Lauda confided to friends that the four-time world champion had signed a deal with the Stuttgart team (Mercedes) for next season". This was before Ferrari showed that they have caught up with Mercedes, so maybe Vettel has a different view now. I'm sure this story will be covered over the weekend, so may be we will hear more.

Spanish GP has had 10 different winner over the last 10 years

That's an amazing statistic really, even considering that it is the pre-season testing circuit and every driver knows it well. I'm sure that Bottas will see this as a good omen, he has run well at the Circuit de Catalunya in the past, so it is a track he likes. Providing it is a dry race this is the track we are likely to see if the cars really are 5 seconds faster, we need to see a time in the mid 1.19.

Mercedes have locked-up the front row for the last 4 years, but with a resurgent Ferrari and Red Bull bring a new chassis to this race qualifying should be interesting. The Spanish GP isn't noted for its overtaking but last year changed that with many more overtakes that the previous few years.

Last ten winners in Spain
2007 Felipe Massa
2008 Kimi Raikkonen
2009 Jenson Button
2010 Mark Webber
2011 Sebastian Vettel
2012 Pastor Maldonado
2013 Fernando Alonso
2014 Lewis Hamilton
2015 Nico Rosberg
2016 Max Verstappen

Mallya found guilty of contempt
The Supreme Court in India ruled today in favour of a consortium of banks and creditors who argued Mallya had violated court orders by transferring $40 million to his three children. Vipin Kumar Jai, one of the lawyers representing the banks, said that Mallya had deliberately concealed his assets and withheld information from the court, leading to the contempt charge. The Court has also ordered that he attend in person on July the 10th when he will be sentenced. The court was also shown evidence that Mallya sent his children the money after receiving a payout from British spirits firm Diageo, despite strict orders he not distribute the cash. Lawyers requesting his extradition from the UK have said they will add this conviction to the information already put before the UK Courts.

F1 team payouts for the 2016 season

Anyone interested in who got what money for the 2016 season should read this article from Autosport
 
New rules for Spain
The new rules mandate that all cars must display both the drivers number and name clearly on the outside of the car (they have even defined a minimum size, numbers should be at least 230mm high and names 150mm). Mercedes are the first team to show this on their livery and their cars will also have the drivers country flag. Clearly they will have to change it position for next season as the shark fin will not be there as the Strategy Group have tabled new rules that will define the dimensions of bodywork on the engine cover and remove the T-wings.








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Red Bull make a statement about Verstappen
Red Bull insists there is no risk it could lose Max Verstappen to a rival team like Ferrari before his contract runs out in 2018. The driver marry-go-round seems to have started this year before the 5th race of the season, this is because both the Ferrari drivers contracts are up at the end of the year and there has been little talk of them being extended. The Dutch press have had a number of articles about Max's frustration with Red Bulls lack of pace, despite the driver having made no comment himself.

There are many rumors that the Dutchman has a performance clause in his contract, but Helmut Marko has made it very clear that no such clause is there. Speaking to Auto Bild, Marko said "Contrary to all rumours, there is no performance clause in Verstappen's contract. If we do not release him, he cannot switch to Ferrari". I'm not sure why he added the words "if we do not release him", could this mean they would release him for the right price?

The question is, would Red Bull want to hold Max back and force him to stay at a team he doesn't want to be with? Red Bull will be running a new chassis this weekend but if it doesn't bring the team closer to the front runners, this will only increase any frustration he has. It is unlikely that the Renault power-unit will catch up this season or even next, and while Red Bull have a TAG Heuer power-unit it is basically just a Renault.
 
Looking at Ferrari's performance so far, it would be a brave driver (or an Alonso :p) who thought another team would have a better car next year.

Okay, Ferrari's performance may drop off as the season continues, and it's a long time before the "official" musical chairs season begins. But if I were Vettel or Kimi, my default option would be to stick with the team that seems to have mastered the technical changes, and is collecting silverware.

You can completely understand why Marko has nailed a "hands off, he's mine" notice on Max's car. The most exciting driver on the grid has to be good for sponsorship.
 
Looking at Ferrari's performance so far, it would be a brave driver (or an Alonso :p) who thought another team would have a better car next year.

Okay, Ferrari's performance may drop off as the season continues, and it's a long time before the "official" musical chairs season begins. But if I were Vettel or Kimi, my default option would be to stick with the team that seems to have mastered the technical changes, and is collecting silverware.

You can completely understand why Marko has nailed a "hands off, he's mine" notice on Max's car. The most exciting driver on the grid has to be good for sponsorship.
I agree about Vettel based on results so far, it seems clear that Ferrari have caught up with Mercedes, but there a long way to go. I'm not really sure how Vettle gets on with the bosses at Ferrari, clearly last season there were strained relations between Maurizio Arrivabene and Vettle, also I'm not really clear how much input Sergio Marchionne is having. But now they are winning and Vettle is top of the drivers championship attitudes may well have changed, nothing changes the feeling with-in a team like winning :)

I think the driver line up at Ferrari will depend on who is available, I'm sure Ferrari would like to keep Vettel, I think the question is who could replace Kimi, Danny Ric is out of contract this year. Its fun to speculate :)
 
Some changes we may see in Spain
Well it seem that it may not just be big changes to the Red Bull car we see this weekend. As well as what we are told will be a new chassis for the Red Bull, it appears that Renault will be bringing some "significant updates" to the race as well. It also seems that Mercedes and Ferrari will have changes to their car, Ferrari sent both their cars back to Maranello for the first time this season and I'm sure it isn't just for a new coat of paint. As for Mercedes it seems they have also been working hard and the cars that will race in Spain will be much lighter*, it is also rumored that they have shortened the wheel-base which could help with the tyres, a new nose and barge-boards.

*All F1 cars have to be of a minimum weight, but to get to that weight most if not all use ballast, being able to move and place that ballast into the optimum areas of the car is key for stability.

Alonso tells McLaren/Honda sort it out or I'm off
Fernando Alonso has been very vocal in his criticism of the McLaren MCL32, particularly the underpowered and unreliable Honda engine. Speaking to reporters he has said the following "My intention and my first priority is to race here, not only to race, I want to win. So now that I have not any more obligations with McLaren, I am happy with the team but we're not winning. In September or October, if we're in a position where I see a possibility to win in 2018, I will be more than happy to stay with the team. If it's not the case, I would be more than happy to talk to anyone. I will have to think a little bit, after the summer, because now is quite a busy period, and now plus the Indy 500, it will not be the time to think any further. But yeah, around September, October, I need to consider what I will do next year. If it's time to find other challenges outside Formula 1 or if Formula 1 will be an opportunity to win the championship which is my main goal. Yeah, very open to anything". Asked if he wants to remain in F1 his response was "I think with this year's cars and the 2017 regulations, the cars are good to drive. I think Formula 1 is back in a way. We see this real power, efficiency, corner speed, things which we were missing in the last couple of years. The cars they look nice from the outside, with the big tyres and everything. I like this Formula 1".

Stirling Moss back home after 5 months in hospital
The 87-year-old has now returned home after spending 134 days in a Singapore hospital. A statement on his website reads "He still has a substantial amount of recovery to undertake but says that he has determination and a great pit crew, he and Lady Moss are enormously grateful to the medical staff, both here and abroad, who worked so tirelessly to make all this possible. They also want to thank, from the bottom of their hearts, all the family, friends and fans for their love and support. It has been overwhelming and given them a lot of strength, smiles and hope. For now, they are looking forward to just lying back on their pillows in their bedroom and watching the Spanish Grand Prix".

Get well soon Stirling, I'm sure all F1 fans are hoping you make a full recovery :thumbs:
 
Free practice 1.

Twelve minutes in, Alonso's car grinds to an emergency stop, spewing smoke and leaking fluid all over the tarmac.

:facepalm:


ETA - the fluid is still cascading out as they lift the car off the track. Serious engine fuck-up.
 
I caught a glimpse of the cars on the news and the Red Bull didn't look much different, I hope they do a feature on the changes over the weekend so we can understand more about the car, the Mercedes looked different but just the front (nose), it didn't look to me like the have shortened the wheelbase, but I was walking past the TV so didn't really have a chance to get a really good look.

Limejuice it seems you may have watch the FP1 did they say anything about the Mercedes having a shorter wheelbase?
 
I caught a glimpse of the cars on the news and the Red Bull didn't look much different, I hope they do a feature on the changes over the weekend so we can understand more about the car, the Mercedes looked different but just the front (nose), it didn't look to me like the have shortened the wheelbase, but I was walking past the TV so didn't really have a chance to get a really good look.

Limejuice it seems you may have watch the FP1 did they say anything about the Mercedes having a shorter wheelbase?
Yes - but only that it was planned and that the skinny nose was part of an overall re-shaping. But we haven't had Ted Kravitz walk round the car with a tape measure.
 
FP2 - there seems to be a decent crowd in the main stand.

Apparently Alonso was so pissed off after FP1 he left the circuit and went to play racketball or tennis between sessions. Ted commented that he probably needed to chill and clear his mind. But Palmer, whom he was interviewing at the time, said, "Yeah, he was also making a statement to Honda."

:D
 
FP2: Mercedes, Ferrari, Red Bull, Renault in that order.

Looks like Mercedes may have a couple of effective tweeks in their car.
 
FP3: Ferrari, Mercedes, Red Bull in that order.

Looks like Ferrari may have a couple of effective tweeks in their car.

:D
 
Bottas has had a power-unit change and it looks like Vettel is currently having a power-unit change and it looks very tight to get his car out for qualifying :facepalm:
 
Yes, Bottas missed nearly all of FP3. The engine they put in is (I think) heading towards race #5. Lauda said it would be as powerful as Hammy's younger engine, but no-one believed him.

Twice this week Vettel's car has ground to a halt with engine problems, so it may be Kimi's weekend. Ooh, looks like Vettels car has been operated upon and is ready to rock.
 
Looking good for the Ferrari making the start of Qualifying, they have fired up the engine, a power-unit change usually takes 4 hours but Ferrari seem to have got that down to 2 and 1/2 hours
 
Jenson being interviewed on Sky. I'd forgotten how appealing a character he is.

Talking about jumping into cars and doing one-off races:

"I'm going to annoy everyone like you cannot believe."

:D
 
I thought Ferrari called Vettel in, maybe it was an old message as he has set a good time for Q1:confused:
 
I thought Ferrari called Vettel in, maybe it was an old message as he has set a good time for Q1:confused:
They did. He asked if they were sure - I guess it all looked okay to him.

By the time he got to the pit entrance, maybe the telemetry had sorted itself out, so he carried to set an excellent time.

And he's been in and has gone out again.
 
They did. He asked if they were sure - I guess it all looked okay to him.

By the time he got to the pit entrance, maybe the telemetry had sorted itself out, so he carried to set an excellent time.

And he's been in and has gone out again.
On Brazilian TV the said there was a loss of power but it came back, I can't get a good link on Sky its very jurkey
 
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