beesonthewhatnow
going deaf for a living
It was, then it wasn't, then it was again, now it might or might not.
F1 2016
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1%er
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Circuit of the Americas & Monza
While the race in Texas is still provisional on the calendar, it appears that a deal has been done and they will announce next Wednesday that the race will go ahead, I'm not really sure why the race is still provisional, as a document was posted above (see post 55) clearly showing that the State had committed to the event until 2022. With regards to Monza there still seems to be problems, La Gazzetta dello Sport is reporting Ecclestone is currently locked in troubled negotiations with Sias, the historic circuit's operator, as well as the automobile club Aci. It was reported some time ago that the money was in-place, so it isn't really clear what the current problems are, unless that are stuck in the details of an extension and the hosting fee for any extension.
Wheres Vijay
In London apparently? There are numerous stories in the press today claiming that an arrest warrant has been issued for him other just claiming he has feld India and is currently in London. His escape was confirmed by prosecutor Mukul Rohatgi, who also pointed out that the magnate fled before a scheduled tribunal in Bangalore, where Mallya was set to appear against yet another consortium who were attempting to block a payment of $75 million to the Force India boss from British group Diageo. Earlier this week a number of banks petition the Supreme Court of India, the country’s highest court, to ban Mallya from leaving the country because of the massive amount they are owed.
Channel 4 name presenting team
There will be many pundits/presenters, not at every race, but different people will be pundits at different races, the team will include Mark Webber, Alain Prost, Murray Walker (aged 92), Ben Edwards, Susie Wolff, Nic Hamilton (Lewis's brother), Eddie Jordan, Karun Chandhok, Lee McKenzie, Alex Zanardi, Bruno Senna, Steve Jones and David Coulthard.
While the race in Texas is still provisional on the calendar, it appears that a deal has been done and they will announce next Wednesday that the race will go ahead, I'm not really sure why the race is still provisional, as a document was posted above (see post 55) clearly showing that the State had committed to the event until 2022. With regards to Monza there still seems to be problems, La Gazzetta dello Sport is reporting Ecclestone is currently locked in troubled negotiations with Sias, the historic circuit's operator, as well as the automobile club Aci. It was reported some time ago that the money was in-place, so it isn't really clear what the current problems are, unless that are stuck in the details of an extension and the hosting fee for any extension.
Wheres Vijay
In London apparently? There are numerous stories in the press today claiming that an arrest warrant has been issued for him other just claiming he has feld India and is currently in London. His escape was confirmed by prosecutor Mukul Rohatgi, who also pointed out that the magnate fled before a scheduled tribunal in Bangalore, where Mallya was set to appear against yet another consortium who were attempting to block a payment of $75 million to the Force India boss from British group Diageo. Earlier this week a number of banks petition the Supreme Court of India, the country’s highest court, to ban Mallya from leaving the country because of the massive amount they are owed.
Channel 4 name presenting team
There will be many pundits/presenters, not at every race, but different people will be pundits at different races, the team will include Mark Webber, Alain Prost, Murray Walker (aged 92), Ben Edwards, Susie Wolff, Nic Hamilton (Lewis's brother), Eddie Jordan, Karun Chandhok, Lee McKenzie, Alex Zanardi, Bruno Senna, Steve Jones and David Coulthard.
beesonthewhatnow
going deaf for a living
Hmmmm, could be good, with different people keeping it interesting, or could be a bit of a disjointed mess. Time will tell I guess.
Well some of those will have racing commitments, so won't be available full time. Sky does the same: sometimes Ant has been replaced with Bruno Senna or Karun Chandok.
And.....?
I didn't "assume" anything. Why are you trying to start something?
1%er
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Yes you are right. I think Murray Walker will only be on film interviewing people I don't think he will be at the track at all other than maybe the British GP, Eddie Jordan will have commitments with Top gear, I think Ben Edwards and David Coulthard will be the commentators with Steve Jones doing the walking about and chatting bits pre and post race, Mark Webber and Susie Wolff will be doing the analysts with Karun Chandhok and Lee McKenzie will be the pitlane stuff. That's what I understood from reading the news about it, I think some of the above and the others mentioned will pop in and out depending on other commitments.
Personally I like the sky coverage and as I steal me stream from Murdoch I'll probably stay with their coverage.
Gromit
International Man of Misery
Actually no. They'll all be working at once as the new format will be like that Big Brother's Bigger Brother where they all sit together and chat whilst the racing goes on.
Limejuice
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I like the Sky coverage as well.
They put a lot into analysing driving technique and explaining the developments. The Croft / Brundle commentary team gets the right balance for me, with some detailed petrol-head pedantry from Ted's Notebook. I like that they cover the practice sessions, usually with Ant or Bruno. And I enjoy the banter between Damon Hill and Johnny Herbert.
In fact, the only fly in the ointment for me is Simon Lazenby, who always looks like he has a bad smell under his nose. But personal taste is just that. And the grid-walk is increasingly pointless for getting you in the mood for a race: it's usually only a clueless celeb who has time to talk.
But overall it's a good presentation. I know they have to carry advertising, but it's reasonably unobtrusive.
beesonthewhatnow
going deaf for a living
I'd still rather eat glass than watch Sky.
1%er
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Not even if you are stealing it from Murdoch? I'd never pay for it, but I get a nice warm feeling inside when I steal it
beesonthewhatnow
going deaf for a living
Nah. I'd still feel a little bit sick inside.Not even if you are stealing it from Murdoch? I'd never pay for it, but I get a nice warm feeling inside when I steal it
Limejuice
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1%er
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All about America
The Circuit of the Americas has now officially confirmed the race there this year will go ahead on October 23. Alexander Rossi the young American driver has been confirmed as Manor F1 reserve driver when he isn't driving for team Andretti in IndyCar. Haas have also signed a young (just 17) development driver Santino Ferrucci, he will also be racing in GP3 with DAMS. Brad Hollinger has brought more shares in Williams F1, he now has 15% and brought Toto's last shares that he had in the company, he is also calling for a race in the New York area and in California, with more American money flowing into F1 and 2nd or even 3rd race isn't impossible if FOM can get someone to put up the hosting fee, the manufactures would love that and it is a massive market for sponsorship. I also read a report that Charlie Whiting, FIA Race Director was seen visiting Watkins Glen in upstate New York recently, for those not old enough to remember Watkins Glen used to be the home of the US GP about 35 years ago.
The Circuit of the Americas has now officially confirmed the race there this year will go ahead on October 23. Alexander Rossi the young American driver has been confirmed as Manor F1 reserve driver when he isn't driving for team Andretti in IndyCar. Haas have also signed a young (just 17) development driver Santino Ferrucci, he will also be racing in GP3 with DAMS. Brad Hollinger has brought more shares in Williams F1, he now has 15% and brought Toto's last shares that he had in the company, he is also calling for a race in the New York area and in California, with more American money flowing into F1 and 2nd or even 3rd race isn't impossible if FOM can get someone to put up the hosting fee, the manufactures would love that and it is a massive market for sponsorship. I also read a report that Charlie Whiting, FIA Race Director was seen visiting Watkins Glen in upstate New York recently, for those not old enough to remember Watkins Glen used to be the home of the US GP about 35 years ago.
Limejuice
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Still with Sky.where is brundle in all of this
He's the heavyweight live commentator and main feature presenter.
Unless someone knows something different...
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Yeah but you're still watching the ads, the advertisers must know that loads of people watch it for free and roughly the numbers that do and factor that in to how much they're prepared to pay to place adverts.Not even if you are stealing it from Murdoch? I'd never pay for it, but I get a nice warm feeling inside when I steal it
Glad Lee McKenzie will still doing F1, she is ace but will miss Suzi.
1%er
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The adverts mean nothing to me, they are all things about the UK and I'm in the NE of Brazil
He's still with Sky, he and Crofty are by far the best F1 commentators and one of the main reasons I watch it, also for Ted's notebookStill with Sky.
He's the heavyweight live commentator and main feature presenter.
Unless someone knows something different...
1%er
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FIA revised qualifying format
This is now how qualifying will work from the season-opening race, the Australian Grand Prix;
Q1 will run for 16 minutes. All cars permitted on track. The slowest driver will be eliminated after 7 minutes and must return to the pitlane.
The same procedure applies at 8m30s, 10m0s, 11m30s, 13m0s and 14m30s until 16 cars remain.
At the end of Q1 all remaining drivers may complete a flying lap if they have crossed the line in time.
Once those laps are completed and the classification established, the slowest driver will be eliminated, leaving 15 to contest the next stage.
Q2 will run for 15 minutes. All remaining cars permitted on track. The slowest driver will be eliminated after 6 minutes and must return to the pitlane.
The same procedure applies at 7m30s, 9m0s, 10m30s, 12m0s and 13m30s until 9 cars remain.
At the end of Q2 all remaining drivers may complete a flying lap if they have crossed the line in time.
Once those laps are completed and the classification established, the slowest driver will be eliminated, leaving 8 to contest the final stage.
Q3 will run for 14 minutes. All eight remaining cars permitted on track. The slowest driver will be eliminated after 5 minutes and must return to the pitlane.
The same procedure applies at 6m30s, 8m0s, 9m30s, 11m0s and 12m30s until 2 cars remain.
At the end of Q3 both remaining drivers may complete a flying lap if they have crossed the line in time.
Once those laps are completed the final classification will be established.
If necessary, the intervals between the sessions and eliminations will be adjusted to ensure Q3 remains unchanged.
Bernie says he will pay for new power-unit development
An alternative F1 engine could still be on the cards after Bernie Ecclestone suggested he would pay for its development. While this proposal appeared to have been put to bed after manufacturers agreed to cut the cost of their customer units, the subject seems to have returned after Bernie hinted he would be willing to pick up the development tab for a new engine to ensure a closer and more competitive F1 grid. "I've proposed that we would engage with a manufacturer to make a power unit that would develop the same kind of power as the current power units are developing" he went on to say "We will contract for whatever it costs and we will supply it to the teams for £7m rather than the £26m or £28m that they pay now. So that hopefully will be a big help and it will certainly stop them having an inferior engine. So I hope that happens".
It seems strange that he should bring up this subject again, but I'm guessing it is a negotiating tactic to try and get the teams to move forward on the 2017 rules. Clearly, if one looks at the costs of development and the return on sales it is a non-starter as a business investment and I'm sure the manufactures are fully aware of that as they know the cost of developing a new engine as they have recently had to bear those costs.
Could the Brazilian GP be canceled
The Brazilian economy is in a very bad state and there are reports in today's press here that the Grand Prix may be cancelled as the government doesn't have the money to pay its share of the fees. It isn't just the hosting fee it is also organizational costs. Bernie is quoted as saying "that talks with organizers about solving a financial matter were underway". The race promoter Tamas Rohonyi says "while times are hard we expect to race and are putting things in place to ensure we can for fill our contract until 2020". One of the problems is that billions has been spent on the Olympics and the government just doesn't have any money left, I would expect that the State (Sao Paulo) will pick up any shortfall, as they currently pay a large chunk of the money anyway.
Vijay Mallya, the world has caught up
For months we have had stories about Mallya on this board and it now seems that the rest of the world has caught up, today more than half the news stories about F1 have been about the Vijay Mallys scandal. It must be time for the FIA to act and remove Mallya from the WMSC.
This is now how qualifying will work from the season-opening race, the Australian Grand Prix;
Q1 will run for 16 minutes. All cars permitted on track. The slowest driver will be eliminated after 7 minutes and must return to the pitlane.
The same procedure applies at 8m30s, 10m0s, 11m30s, 13m0s and 14m30s until 16 cars remain.
At the end of Q1 all remaining drivers may complete a flying lap if they have crossed the line in time.
Once those laps are completed and the classification established, the slowest driver will be eliminated, leaving 15 to contest the next stage.
Q2 will run for 15 minutes. All remaining cars permitted on track. The slowest driver will be eliminated after 6 minutes and must return to the pitlane.
The same procedure applies at 7m30s, 9m0s, 10m30s, 12m0s and 13m30s until 9 cars remain.
At the end of Q2 all remaining drivers may complete a flying lap if they have crossed the line in time.
Once those laps are completed and the classification established, the slowest driver will be eliminated, leaving 8 to contest the final stage.
Q3 will run for 14 minutes. All eight remaining cars permitted on track. The slowest driver will be eliminated after 5 minutes and must return to the pitlane.
The same procedure applies at 6m30s, 8m0s, 9m30s, 11m0s and 12m30s until 2 cars remain.
At the end of Q3 both remaining drivers may complete a flying lap if they have crossed the line in time.
Once those laps are completed the final classification will be established.
If necessary, the intervals between the sessions and eliminations will be adjusted to ensure Q3 remains unchanged.
Bernie says he will pay for new power-unit development
An alternative F1 engine could still be on the cards after Bernie Ecclestone suggested he would pay for its development. While this proposal appeared to have been put to bed after manufacturers agreed to cut the cost of their customer units, the subject seems to have returned after Bernie hinted he would be willing to pick up the development tab for a new engine to ensure a closer and more competitive F1 grid. "I've proposed that we would engage with a manufacturer to make a power unit that would develop the same kind of power as the current power units are developing" he went on to say "We will contract for whatever it costs and we will supply it to the teams for £7m rather than the £26m or £28m that they pay now. So that hopefully will be a big help and it will certainly stop them having an inferior engine. So I hope that happens".
It seems strange that he should bring up this subject again, but I'm guessing it is a negotiating tactic to try and get the teams to move forward on the 2017 rules. Clearly, if one looks at the costs of development and the return on sales it is a non-starter as a business investment and I'm sure the manufactures are fully aware of that as they know the cost of developing a new engine as they have recently had to bear those costs.
Could the Brazilian GP be canceled
The Brazilian economy is in a very bad state and there are reports in today's press here that the Grand Prix may be cancelled as the government doesn't have the money to pay its share of the fees. It isn't just the hosting fee it is also organizational costs. Bernie is quoted as saying "that talks with organizers about solving a financial matter were underway". The race promoter Tamas Rohonyi says "while times are hard we expect to race and are putting things in place to ensure we can for fill our contract until 2020". One of the problems is that billions has been spent on the Olympics and the government just doesn't have any money left, I would expect that the State (Sao Paulo) will pick up any shortfall, as they currently pay a large chunk of the money anyway.
Vijay Mallya, the world has caught up
For months we have had stories about Mallya on this board and it now seems that the rest of the world has caught up, today more than half the news stories about F1 have been about the Vijay Mallys scandal. It must be time for the FIA to act and remove Mallya from the WMSC.
Limejuice
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The new qualifying rules should ensure a good deal of competitive action on the track.
No more sitting in a garage waiting for the track to rubber in, with a mad last-minute dash, a la Vettel.
In Q1, the entire field has to get out and put in a fast lap within 7 minutes. So I expect there'll be lots of complaints and appeals to stewards about baulking, which should ginger-up the usually dull post-qualifying interviews.
I can certainly foresee some top-fancied cars screwing up and getting eliminated early on.
It should be fun.
No more sitting in a garage waiting for the track to rubber in, with a mad last-minute dash, a la Vettel.
In Q1, the entire field has to get out and put in a fast lap within 7 minutes. So I expect there'll be lots of complaints and appeals to stewards about baulking, which should ginger-up the usually dull post-qualifying interviews.
I can certainly foresee some top-fancied cars screwing up and getting eliminated early on.
It should be fun.
beesonthewhatnow
going deaf for a living
The first 7 minutes of qualifying at Monaco will be mental 
1%er
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iirc Monaco will be the first track that the new Ultra-soft tyres will be used and from testing they look to be between 1.5 or 2 seconds a lap faster. That could also mix things up if the slower cars decide to run Ultra-soft in quali 1, while the faster cars don't "waste" them that early.The first 7 minutes of qualifying at Monaco will be mental
I think the stewards could be very busy and how they react to the new system could make or break it. For sure some of the faster cars will find themselves where they don't want to be.In Q1, the entire field has to get out and put in a fast lap within 7 minutes. So I expect there'll be lots of complaints and appeals to stewards about baulking, which should ginger-up the usually dull post-qualifying interviews.
I can certainly foresee some top-fancied cars screwing up and getting eliminated early on.
1%er
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Johnnie Walker return to McLaren
News is breaking that Johnnie Walker have decided not to go ahead with their sponsorship deal with Force India and return to sponsoring McLaren. This decision is much bigger than just sponsorship as Johnnie Walker are a Diageo brand, I'm sure people will remember that Diageo are the drinks company that are in dispute with Mallya over who owns Force India.
Smirnoff (another Diageo brand) will continue to sponsor Force India, but this deal isn't straight forward as it is also part of a legal settlement between Diageo and Mallya regarding him leaving the board of United Breweries.
What if anything does this say about Diageo's claim that they own force India, why would they choose not to sponsor a team they claim to own, Does this mean that Diageo have decided not to take control of the team, I believe they own/control the shares as they were put up by Mallya as a guarantee for a $135 million loan to Watson Ltd, a Mallya holding company and that debt to Standard Chartered Bank has now been paid by Diageo.
News is breaking that Johnnie Walker have decided not to go ahead with their sponsorship deal with Force India and return to sponsoring McLaren. This decision is much bigger than just sponsorship as Johnnie Walker are a Diageo brand, I'm sure people will remember that Diageo are the drinks company that are in dispute with Mallya over who owns Force India.
Smirnoff (another Diageo brand) will continue to sponsor Force India, but this deal isn't straight forward as it is also part of a legal settlement between Diageo and Mallya regarding him leaving the board of United Breweries.
What if anything does this say about Diageo's claim that they own force India, why would they choose not to sponsor a team they claim to own, Does this mean that Diageo have decided not to take control of the team, I believe they own/control the shares as they were put up by Mallya as a guarantee for a $135 million loan to Watson Ltd, a Mallya holding company and that debt to Standard Chartered Bank has now been paid by Diageo.
elbows
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I thought I understood the detail as laid out earlier in that post, but I don't understand what this line means! Cheers.
