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England vs Italy (Group D) Saturday 14th June 2014

The young lions were lying all over the place with cramp while the 35 year old Pirlo was still strutting his stuff.
Aye, but as Lieker pointed out last night, Pirlo wasn't exactly sprinting around all over the place. You're a lot less likely to get cramp if you rarely extend beyond a jog ;)

Do agree about the Italian coolness though, although we gave them a good game I think they looked pretty comfortable in possession. That said, we looked far more comfortable in possession than we have in the past, even in the warm-up matches for this tournament!
 
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Pirlo made more passes on his own than the entire England midfield last night, that and the Italian's coolness under pressure was the big difference
This is the thing about England squads, and I think the same thing every world cup to some extent, I have never consciously seen an England team who when they have possession assume their positions and pass the ball around and move upfield as a team, keeping possession, stringing together passes and waiting for that moment to either get a cross in or make a dash in. Instead what England tend to do is hoof it up the field and run maniacally up field in some improvised way or other.

On this occasion that resulted in a goal, Rooney connecting with Sturridge, but its a risky way of playing and one that requires a fair bit of luck - it was a skillful goal, brilliant ball by Rooney, but one that easily could've gone wrong.

It makes for a more exciting watch, but the teams that win world cups are capable of playing this holding style of football. And thats also a difference between other leagues, especially Italian football. which seems to be full of one touch holding play. Brazillian league football too from what little Ive seen. Its less interesting to watch to those used to English leagues, but its a disciple English players don't seem to have much.

My impression is that yesterday England essentially charged around the pitch giving it their all, producing some good chances all things considered, which produced some chances thank to the unique skill of Sturridge above all else...there were a couple of moments of proper possessive play, but when England do it it feels like they are really trying to do something they know they ought to do, rather than slipping into a comfortable part of their game
 
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when England do it it feels like they are really trying to do something they know they ought to do, rather than slipping into a comfortable part of their game
Though generally I'd agree, I did actually think we looked slightly calmer and, as I said, more comfortable in possession. We didn't seem quite as impatient as we normally do.

Not quite as impatient, not saying the old problems weren't still there ;)
 
Rooney and Gerrard poor
I think i heard the commentators say that Gerrard has been playing a little further back in recent times - I don't remember seeing him making the occasional push which I remember him doing in previous England squads.

Overall it was a really enjoyable game and Ive warmed to a couple of players who I didnt really have any feelings for before... come on england! :D

Oh when the Eng...come marching in...
 
Though generally I'd agree, I did actually think we looked slightly calmer and, as I said, more comfortable in possession. We didn't seem quite as impatient as we normally do.

Not quite as impatient, not saying the old problems weren't still there ;)
yeah last world cup was particularly bad for this, but my impression is it still doesnt feel natural, or productive particularly, it felt like its been drilled into them whereas in fact theyd like to be running wild
 
Wilshere for Henderson still has me scratching my head, as does Sturridge for Lallana :confused:

Were I the owl king, it'd have been Henderson hooked for Lallana and Sturridge for Lambert, put Rooney behind him and Welbeck and Sterling on the wings. Would have at least changed our options up front a bit.
 
I think Italy will beat Costa Rica on Friday. Costa Rica played well and with heart but against a scrappy Uruguay side.

Of course the hope is that England beat Uruguay. On yesterdays form I would think they can do it. We have no bookings and the squad look fit enough. Uruguay have Suarez doubtful returning from injury plus a defender suspended and three players with yellow cards hanging over them.
 
I think Italy will beat Costa Rica on Friday. Costa Rica played well and with heart but against a scrappy Uruguay side.

Of course the hope is that England beat Uruguay. On yesterdays form I would think they can do it. We have no bookings and the squad look fit enough. Uruguay have Suarez doubtful returning from injury plus a defender suspended and three players with yellow cards hanging over them.
Yeah... lord knows how this group will play out now though
 
have to show off our tarp+projector+ritual fire style set up:
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which reminds me, England have a particularly strong line in crossing their arms and turning their heads towards the camera
 
JTG said:
Yeah... lord knows how this group will play out now though

I think Costa Rica are the potential upsetters here. They have three points and plus 2 goal difference. If they they win one of, or draw both their last games they will qualify.

Never rule out Uruguay but they are in the weakest position. Worst goal difference than England and they still have to play Italy.
 
Wilshere for Henderson still has me scratching my head, as does Sturridge for Lallana :confused:

Were I the owl king, it'd have been Henderson hooked for Lallana and Sturridge for Lambert, put Rooney behind him and Welbeck and Sterling on the wings. Would have at least changed our options up front a bit.
Sounds good to me.
 
Cheers :)

Has he made an excuse yet? Something about the poor state of the pitch?
Dunno but for one thing I didn't think the pitch was as bad as made out on here and for another, everyone out there was visibly shattered by that stage
 
I think Italy will beat Costa Rica on Friday. Costa Rica played well and with heart but against a scrappy Uruguay side.
italy are obviously favourites but i was reading this this morning:
http://www.football365.com/news/21554/9349367/Pirlo-And-Marchisio-Delighted-With-England-Win

“It was important to start with a win, especially on a day in which playing football was difficult,” Marchisio told Sky Italia in reference to the humid conditions in the Amazonian city.

“In certain moments, due to the hot temperature, it felt like we were having hallucinations.

Pirlo said:
“We have suffered, but the hot climate was incredible.

their next game is friday, 5pm (our time) in recife. bbc are predicting around 28c for friday and it wasn't that hot last night. italy may well be totally fucked by the end and it will be interesting to see if they can handle costa rica's pace
 
JTG said:
Dunno but for one thing I didn't think the pitch was as bad as made out on here and for another, everyone out there was visibly shattered by that stage

They were wiped out for the last twenty minutes for sure. Does not seem like any injuries were picked up though.

Sterling was the only booking wasn't he?
 
This is the thing about England squads, and I think the same thing every world cup to some extent, I have never consciously seen an England team who when they have possession assume their positions and pass the ball around and move upfield as a team, keeping possession, stringing together passes and waiting for that moment to either get a cross in or make a dash in. Instead what England tend to do is hoof it up the field and run maniacally up field in some improvised way or other.

On this occasion that resulted in a goal, Rooney connecting with Sturridge, but its a risky way of playing and one that requires a fair bit of luck - it was a skillful goal, brilliant ball by Rooney, but one that easily could've gone wrong.

It makes for a more exciting watch, but the teams that win world cups are capable of playing this holding style of football. And thats also a difference between other leagues, especially Italian football. which seems to be full of one touch holding play. Brazillian league football too from what little Ive seen. Its less interesting to watch to those used to English leagues, but its a disciple English players don't seem to have much.

My impression is that yesterday England essentially charged around the pitch giving it their all, producing some good chances all things considered, which produced some chances thank to the unique skill of Sturridge above all else...there were a couple of moments of proper possessive play, but when England do it it feels like they are really trying to do something they know they ought to do, rather than slipping into a comfortable part of their game
There's a few reasons why this is.

The main is that we don't have players who are able to play that sort of football because of how youth training works in the UK. The kids play on bigger pitches than in other countries and so the strongest and fastest players stand out. Strong midfielders who barge someone off the ball, then hoof a long pass up the field for the fast forwards to ping in the goal. Whereas abroad they play on smaller pitches until they are much older so it's more about slotting the ball through, passing it around etc. It builds technique.

The other reason is the crowd demands it. Whenever we do have spells of passing the ball around at the back, waiting for an opening, you hear people shouting, "get it up field", booing and whatnot. It's seen as boring. Then the second the striker is within shooting distance of the goal you hear cries of "shoot!". Patient build up play gets criticised.

The two are no doubt linked, but until we sort out youth training, then it will continue.

I'm happy with either style, to be honest. If we play like we did last night all the time I'd be happy even if we lose. But if we played the more technical game and still lose it would be less of a spectacle and for nothing.
 
binka said:
their next game is friday, 5pm (our time) in recife. bbc are predicting around 28c for friday and it wasn't that hot last night. italy may well be totally fucked by the end and it will be interesting to see if they can handle costa rica's pace

Great post binka

The earlier kick off will be hotter for Italy vs Costa Rica. Although those two teams have an extra days rest between games. The heat should really be easier (still hot) for Uruguay and Costa Rica to deal with?

Imagine Qatar :eek:
 
It's also easier to get away with that style of play in a cold country. When it's in the 30s for 90 minutes, puff runs out.
 
Dunno but for one thing I didn't think the pitch was as bad as made out on here and for another, everyone out there was visibly shattered by that stage
Dunno. The groundsman himself had said it was pretty bad, and apparently they spray painted it green to make it look better on telly :D

But... it didn't seem to play that poorly tbh.
 
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