England fans: the racism and the violence

[editor]

This can not and must not be swept under the carpet. There has been a horrendous outpouring of racism directed at the players after the Euro final. What is the fucking matter with them?

This is just horrific

Fan violence the only thing that disgraces England in defeat

England lost on penalties, but the only tarnishing display was the actions of the fans who tore up the city and forced entry into Wembley without tickets

www.independent.co.uk

Fan knocked out in Leicester Square as England supporters fight each other

A Three Lions' fan was knocked out as England supporters clashed in Leicester Square, London, during the tense Euro 2020 final on Sunday night that saw England lose 3-2 on penalties to Italy

www.mirror.co.uk

*and yes, other teams have racist fans too, but let's talk about what's happened on the biggest stage in the last 24 hours.

 

[Pickman's model]

this isn't and wasn't being swept under the carpet and was being discussed on the italy match thread

 

[miss direct]

What is happening in that first video?

 

[editor]

A friend wrote on FB:

I hope none of you are surprised by the racism today. It's not like we all couldn't see it coming. But it does give a little clue as to why some of us don't do the English Pride and patriotism. Because when you're of colour you're never full accepted here.
Even if you fight for this country, die for this country, answer the call for help when this country calls. Even if you're a top athlete representing this country. They'll still call you n1gger at the first chance they get.
By "they" we all know who I'm talking about. We all know who uses the casual racist language, you know the same ones who have to be reminded every time there's a major tournament on to not beat their partners if England lose.
Sometimes I hate this country.

 

[editor]

this isn't and wasn't being swept under the carpet and was being discussed on the italy match thread

Some people and some organisations will try and sweep it under the carpet like they have done for years.

 

[platinumsage]

What is happening in that first video?

Looks like people attacking people who are trying to get in without a ticket.

 

[Pickman's model]

Some people and some organisations will try and sweep it under the carpet like they have done for years.

yeh but we will never be one of those organisations and we've always talked about the difficult topics like this. as we have been. on other threads.

 

[platinumsage]

It's not surprising though is it, it's par for the course with football - it has lots of racist, homophobic and violent fans.

 

[Badgers]

Disgraced Prime Minister Johnson and his cunt cohorts like Shitty Patel or Jacob Cunt Mogg have enabled and emboldened this hateful environment.

Fuck the fucking Tories and the UKIP they rode in on.

 

[ruffneck23]

 

[Pickman's model]

anyway the shitty scenes last night might have been another nail in the coffin for the 2030 world cup bid. putting the shameful racism to one side for just a moment - that being perhaps a more tricky issue to sort out - the shoddy security at wembley ought to hammer home the dire state of this country. yeh it was a load of twats getting in. but imagine if (and it's perfectly possible) someone with a bomb had wanted in with that lot. there's been stuff all week about how feeble the security was at wembley, how people didn't have stuff checked. never seen the like at a football match: and the lack of segregation within the ground - not planned, but the way england fans were able to sit where they would - didn't bode well.

 

[Rebelda]

I would love to go to games, as a visible anti-racist and not-cunt. To be able to challenge those that are a problem. But it's so so expensive. £75 to the FA before you can even buy a ticket.

 

[Pickman's model]

I would love to go to games, as a visible anti-racist and not-cunt. To be able to challenge those that are a problem. But it's so so expensive. £75 to the FA before you can even buy a ticket.

or you can just stroll in with the other england fans

 

[Rebelda]

or you can just stroll in with the other england fans

 

[belboid]

Disgraced Prime Minister Johnson and his cunt cohorts like Shitty Patel or Jacob Cunt Mogg have enabled and emboldened this hateful environment.

Fuck the fucking Tories and the UKIP they rode in on.

Johnson and Patel explicitly encouraged it by saying fans had the right to boo anti-racism. If that’s okay then abusing specific players must be their ‘right’ too.

 

[Elpenor]

I would love to go to games, as a visible anti-racist and not-cunt. To be able to challenge those that are a problem. But it's so so expensive. £75 to the FA before you can even buy a ticket.

I’m surprised that tickets aren’t made available via grass roots clubs as in Rugby? Also means that you know who is going, so accountable if they act like a prick

 

[platinumsage]

Johnson and Patel explicitly encouraged it by saying fans had the right to boo anti-racism. If that’s okay then abusing specific players must be their ‘right’ too.

But it was anyway, these people haven't needed Tory politicians to enable their racism, and it's doubtful whether anti-racist politicians would have influenced them at all.

 

[Pickman's model]

But it was anyway, these people haven't needed to Tory politicians to enable their racism, and it's doubtful whether anti-racist politicians would have influenced them at all.

it's not a process of a few weeks or months but the many years of racist shite being routinely spouted by politicians, from * at least * blair onwards (and it's not like major or thatcher were slouches when it came to having racist policies). there's been so much bile since 2001 (and esp since 7/7).

 

[hitmouse]

I would love to go to games, as a visible anti-racist and not-cunt. To be able to challenge those that are a problem. But it's so so expensive. £75 to the FA before you can even buy a ticket.

Tbf, maybe I'm biased because my final-watching experience was a bit extreme, but even if you just go to the pub you're still being part of big gatherings of fans, you still have the chance to challenge people there.

But it was anyway, these people haven't needed to Tory politicians to enable their racism, and it's doubtful whether anti-racist politicians would have influenced them at all.

I mean, it's all part of creating an environment. It might not convince people that their actions are right or wrong, but you can help to give people the impression that their behaviour is unpopular and they're likely to get shit for it, which makes racists more likely to keep quiet. Or you can do the opposite.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

I’m surprised that tickets aren’t made available via grass roots clubs as in Rugby? Also means that you know who is going, so accountable if they act like a prick

And tennis. It's ironic that sports like rugby union and tennis that traditionally have a much more 'middle class' image are considerably more egalitarian and less money-grabbing than football in this regard. Football is all about squeezing every last penny out of everyone and has been for decades now.

 

[belboid]

But it was anyway, these people haven't needed Tory politicians to enable their racism, and it's doubtful whether anti-racist politicians would have influenced them at all.

The fact that they didn’t need any encouragement is quite different to the fact that any encouragement encourages.

 

[RainbowTown]

Sadly I'm not surprised. It seems to me these people - for whatever reason - are full of some sort of self-loathing which sadly manifests itself by this kind of behaviour and attitude. Their hatred and aggression towards others stems from this. They simply cannot function as a decent human being.

 

[cloudyday]

Ticketless fans getting into grounds for big matches is nothing new, footage of fisticuffs with ticketed fans not surprising under the current situation. The daft prick swinging a bottle and looking for a fight getting sparked out is hardly worth commenting on.

I don't think conflating the news/videos above with racism is particularly helpful.

 

[editor]

Ticketless fans getting into grounds for big matches is nothing new, footage of fisticuffs with ticketed fans not surprising under the current situation. The daft prick swinging a bottle and looking for a fight getting sparked out is hardly worth commenting on.

I don't think conflating the news/videos above with racism is particularly helpful.

It's part of the same yob culture.

 

[editor]

Checkout the violent steward



Met statement

Boris Johnson, home secretary Priti Patel and culture secretary Oliver Dowden condemned the abuse. The prime minister referred to it as “appalling” but former England defender Gary Neville criticised Johnson’s leadership.

He told Sky News: “I’m just reading your breaking news and it says the ‘PM condemns racist abuse of England players’. Gareth Southgate and the players a few weeks ago, about five days on the trot, told us they were taking the knee to promote equality and it was against racism.

“The prime minister said it was OK for the population of this country to boo those players who were trying to promote equality and defend against racism. It starts at the very top. I wasn’t surprised in the slightest that I woke up to those headlines; I expected it the minute that the three players missed.”

‘Unforgivable’: Gareth Southgate on racist abuse of England players

Gareth Southgate described the racist online abuse directed at some of England’s players after the Euro 2020 final defeat to Italy as ‘unforgivable’

www.theguardian.com

 

[RainbowTown]

Those very same people are most likely to have a racist, sexist and homophobic slant to their personality. So yes, I think it would be fair to conflate their behaviour to these things.

 

[klang]

just go to the pub

quite easy to spend £75 too.

 

[The39thStep]

What has been/ is being swept under the carpet ?

 

[Athos]

anyway the shitty scenes last night might have been another nail in the coffin for the 2030 world cup bid. putting the shameful racism to one side for just a moment - that being perhaps a more tricky issue to sort out - the shoddy security at wembley ought to hammer home the dire state of this country. yeh it was a load of twats getting in. but imagine if (and it's perfectly possible) someone with a bomb had wanted in with that lot. there's been stuff all week about how feeble the security was at wembley, how people didn't have stuff checked. never seen the like at a football match: and the lack of segregation within the ground - not planned, but the way england fans were able to sit where they would - didn't bode well.

I'm not sure some racist comments on Twitter would make a jot of difference to FIFA, an institution so morally bankrupt that it's awarded next year's World Cup to a state that killed 6,500 slaves to build the grounds, and has the death penalty for homosexuality.

 

[Pickman's model]

I'm not sure some racist comments on Twitter would make a jot of difference to FIFA, an institution so morally bankrupt that it's awarded next year's World Cup to a state that killed 6,500 slaves to build the grounds, and has the death penalty for homosexuality.

ah - i see! it's another episode of the Athos Show. now i'm on the same page, and it explains why you don't say anything about the substance of my post, namely the pisspoor security we've seen at wembley during the euros.