During the biggest crisis of capitalism of our generation, why is the UK anarcho-left not growing?
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Starry Wisdom
How's it doing in sweden?
Random
Ethnic nalgocrat
Doesn't seem to be growing here, either, despite the presence of a fairly strong far-left. The Left Party is making proposals to help small businesses and the anarchosyndicalists seem to still be doing their own thing, plus lots of the anarcos mainly want to attack fascists.
Edit: not that I have much insight into Sweden's anarcholeft.
Random
Ethnic nalgocrat
Everywhere, or just the UK and Sweden?
TruXta
tired
Everywhere as far as I can see.
ska invita
back on the other side
Whats the latest from Greece?
TruXta
tired
Who's "you"?
The UK anarcho-left. (Read the thread title
)
TruXta
tired
The UK anarcho-left. (Read the thread title
They're not on here are they?
I can't really be arsed to play these stupid games where people point out there are 50 shades of left, and the particular shade that is in question isn't ACTUALLY here to be explained or defended. I mean ffs that's part of the fucking problem.
TruXta
tired
I'm not disagreeing with that, I'm just saying that IME there's a smattering of very vocal lefties/anarchists on here who might or might not be representative of the far left in the UK. Probably not if you ask me.
The left, as in a popular and powerful political movement, is dead and has been for a generation, at least in the 1st world.
There are some, including fairly prominent ones, yeah.
TruXta
tired
Really? In that case the left is even more dead than I thought. Nothing personal, but this is hardly a hubbub of revolutionary activity is it?
The old left is dead cos people don't work in mass unionised industries and drink down the same pub. There aren't "bosses and workers" any more there's the 1% and the other 99% fragmented in to a million pieces.
The alternative is for people to make their own decisions about things and run things themselves. The alternative isn't telling them in advance how the world should be run.
cesare
shady's dreams ♥
Why would you assume that *this* would be anything more than a hobby?
TruXta
tired
There's that. And then there's the abject failure of people on the so-called left today to give a shit about engaging with people on their own terms instead of terms like Class War, Revolution, Commodity Fetishism and whatnot.
TruXta
tired
I don't, but then again this is a fairly big national forum with a wide readership. Much bigger than Indymedia and other typically leftie sites. So you'd think serious anarchos/lefties would see this as a somewhat important venue for reaching out to people.
cesare
shady's dreams ♥
Most "reaching out to people" is done in the workplace and local communities, not on forums.
I read in a book the other day that there has never been a society without leaders in human history, and that even democracy don't work in a crisis.
Personally I'd like to have a pretty good idea what the fuck the altnerative is before I completely denounce capitalism. We're better off than a country in full on civil war and famine after all.
TruXta
tired
Which as it should be, but don't you think that electronic comms are important in political campaigning/organizing?
TruXta
tired
The first statement is a bit off, altho close enough to the truth. The second - depends on what you mean by "democracy", "work" and "crisis"
cesare
shady's dreams ♥
To an extent. But forums aren't that effective for campaigning/organising.
TruXta
tired
Yeah, I can see that. Can still see a massive role for digital comms in protests and more tactical jobs tho. Longer term face to face is the better option - building trust and dialogue and all that is so much easier when you can see, smell and hear the others.
cesare
shady's dreams ♥
Oh, I imagine that digital comms are used loads.
BigTom
Well-Known Member
Hell yeah - but twitter and facebook + blog/website are far, far better places to do it than here imo - much bigger & wider audience, much easier for a story to become viral.
e2a: anyone who followed the workfare stuff back in Feb/March. should be left in doubt as to the power of digital comms - but it was facebook and twitter that was most important, along with Mumsnet.
cesare
shady's dreams ♥
Absolutely. Here's good for discussion, it's not exactly representative.
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