Donald Trump the road that might not lead to the White House - Redux 2024 thread.

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No more desperate and delusional than usual, though.

 

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This is Trump's full statement on child care. As I said, a previous quote missed out the bit where he said it would be funded by import tariffs. This one is much clearer:

“Well, I would do that and we’re sitting down, you know, I was, somebody, we had Sen. Marco Rubio and my daughter Ivanka was so impactful on that issue. It’s a very important issue. But I think when you talk about the kind of numbers that I’m talking about that because the child care is, child care is you couldn’t, you know there’s something you have to have it in this country, you have to have it. But when you talk about those numbers compared to the kind of numbers that I’m talking about by taxing foreign nations at levels that they’re not used to — but they’ll get used to it very quickly. And it’s not going to stop them from doing business with us. But they’ll have a very substantial tax when they send product into our country. Those numbers are so much bigger than any numbers that we’re talking about, including child care, that it’s going to take care — I look forward to having no deficits within a fairly short period of time. Coupled with the reductions that I told you about on waste and fraud and all of the other things that are going on in our country. Because I have to stay with child care, I want to stay with child care but those numbers are small relative to the kind of economic numbers that I’m talking about, including growth. But growth also headed up by what the plan is that I just told you about. We’re going to be taking in trillions of dollars, and as much as child care is talked about as being expensive, it’s relatively speaking not very expensive compared to the kind of numbers we’re going to be taking in. We’re going to make this into an incredible country that can afford to take care of its people, and then we’ll worry about the rest of the world. Let’s help other people. But we’re going to take care of our country first. This is about America first, it’s about ‘Make America Great Again,’ we have to do it because right now we’re a failing nation. So we’ll take care of it.”

eta: that's actually from Analysis: Trump’s incomprehensible child care comments appear to have broken a dam

which is quite a good piece saying that media in the US is sanitizing Trump's comments by describing them and that they should really be quoting what he actually says.

 

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Plus he repeatedly goes on about Biden's catastrophic withdrawal from Afghanistan (which does indeed sound like a ballsup) yet:

Trump ordered rapid withdrawal from Afghanistan after election loss

The memo was among the latest revelations from the congressional committee investigating the Jan. 6, 2021, attack on the Capitol building.

www.militarytimes.com

President Donald Trump ordered a rapid withdrawal of all U.S. troops from Afghanistan and Somalia in the wake of his 2020 election loss, but senior officials never followed through on the plan, according to testimony released by the congressional January 6 committee on Thursday.

“The order was for an immediate withdrawal, and it would have been catastrophic,” said Rep. Adam Kinzinger, R-Ill., one of two Republican members of the special panel. “And yet President Trump signed the order.”

Witnesses who spoke to the committee about the surprise withdrawal plan included Joint Chiefs Chairman Gen. Mark Milley, former national security advisor to the vice president Keith Kellogg, and several other senior officials in the Trump administration.

sorry I stop now

 

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I was lying about stopping now

That quote about how useless his legal team is came from a press conference he held to insult women who've claimed that he did what he's boasted about doing to women on the coach recording:

Trump Holds Press Event Just To Attack Women Who've Accused Him Of Sexual Assault

The GOP presidential nominee weirdly claimed E. Jean Carroll loves "Law & Order" and copied one of the TV show's episodes to lie about him assaulting her.

www.huffingtonpost.co.uk

“She [another woman accusing him of sexual assault] said … we became very intimate,” he said, recounting her allegations, as the lawyers standing behind him began looking uncomfortable. “She said I was making out with her. And then after 15 minutes … that I grabbed her at a certain part, and that was when she had enough.”

Trump scoffed that this could have happened on a commercial flight.

“I start kissing her and making out with her. What are the chances of that happening?” he said, adding, “I know you’re going to say it’s a terrible thing to say, but it couldn’t have happened, and … she would not have been the chosen one.”

Before leaving the event and ignoring questions shouted at him by reporters, Trump blamed his legal team for failing him in his 2023 trial.

“I’m disappointed in my legal talent, to be honest with you,” he said, as some of his lawyers stood next to him. “I wanted to show up to the first trial. My lawyer, who is not up here, not with us any longer, said, ‘Sir, you should not show up.’”

HuffPost used to keep a running tally of all the women who have publicly accused Trump of sexual assault or rape. We may have lost track after the numbers surpassed two dozen.

 

[breadandcircuse]

So many cases I am getting confused. I thought this had been pushed back beyond the election. . . . . but that's the new york trial.

Trump will appeal of course and though technically / legally this should not be able to have an effect, we have already seen the supreme court hand down rulings they really shouldn't. . . I bet they do again and follow the NY case line that was trotted out yesterday.

The trial for his J6 insurrection attempt will not happen until after the election. Obviously if he wins it will go away, with him pardoning himself. I think this is all about the SC attempts to defend him, by giving him immunity for "presidential" acts , and leaving it up to Chutkin to define what is and isn't a presidential act. They thought she would push it back until after the election, but she has basically done the opposite of Merchan in NY and said the election makes no difference, he will be treated the same as anyone else. Let's not forget her quote that president's aren't king's. So she will be uncovering all the evidence of what he did and said, out in the open, ready for a trial, with full transparency, as we approach polling day .

It does get confusing with all of his lega! cases, but Glenn Kirschner, in the vid, is a highly experienced federal prosecutor who worked in D.C. for many years and has faced Chutkin as a defender before she was a judge. He regards her highly as no nonsense, and not scared easily, so I love to see when he is happy about developments. He is so all in about justice being served, that it was sad to see his shoulders drop somewhat with all the breaks the orange fucker kept getting, that to see him happy and optimistic about a turn of events is a joy.

 

[MrCurry]

The trial for his J6 insurrection attempt will not happen until after the election. Obviously if he wins it will go away, with him pardoning himself. I think this is all about the SC attempts to defend him, by giving him immunity for "presidential" acts , and leaving it up to Chutkin to define what is and isn't a presidential act. They thought she would push it back until after the election, but she has basically done the opposite of Merchan in NY and said the election makes no difference, he will be treated the same as anyone else. Let's not forget her quote that president's aren't king's. So she will be uncovering all the evidence of what he did and said, out in the open, ready for a trial, with full transparency, as we approach polling day .

It does get confusing with all of his lega! cases, but Glenn Kirschner, in the vid, is a highly experienced federal prosecutor who worked in D.C. for many years and has faced Chutkin as a defender before she was a judge. He regards her highly as no nonsense, and not scared easily, so I love to see when he is happy about developments. He is so all in about justice being served, that it was sad to see his shoulders drop somewhat with all the breaks the orange fucker kept getting, that to see him happy and optimistic about a turn of events is a joy.

So just to spell it out, which case is being discussed here? If it’s not the January 6th thing, which is it?

 

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I still don't know

 

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It's indeed the election interference case:

Judge Chutkan doesn't find Judge Cannon's ruling on Jack Smith's appointment 'particularly persuasive'

The judge in Trump's D.C. case didn't sound impressed with the Florida judge's ruling. Ultimately, it may be the Supreme Court's view that counts.

www.msnbc.com

Donald Trump’s federal election interference case is finally back in the trial court, where U.S. District Judge Tanya Chutkan held a hearing Thursday mainly to discuss how to proceed after the Supreme Court’s immunity ruling. But the hearing also gave Chutkan an opportunity to criticize U.S. District Judge Aileen Cannon’s dismissal of Trump’s classified documents case on the grounds that special counsel Jack Smith was unlawfully appointed.

so was criticizing Cannon for the separate classified documents rulings, and as i recall Cannon's actions are still being appealed by Jack Smith the prosecutor who's trying to get her taken off the case.

 

[story]

I fear that all this in-bubble news will make no difference and that trump will win in November.

I'm less confident than I was that Trump will lose too. In the weeks immediately following Harris' nomination I became certain that he'd lose. Seeing her poll lead diminish in the swing states has got me worried again.

 

[breadandcircuse]

So just to spell it out, which case is being discussed here? If it’s not the January 6th thing, which is it?

The J6 one. Chutkin is over that in DC, Loose Cannon is the Docs one in Florida. The confusion may be to some, that Jack Smith is prosecuting both cases.

 

[MrCurry]

The J6 one. Chutkin is over that in DC, Loose Cannon is the Docs one in Florida. The confusion may be to some, that Jack Smith is prosecuting both cases.

Ok well I got confused when you said “The trial for his J6 insurrection attempt will not happen until after the election“ and yet you seemed to also be mentioning that this trial with judge Chutkin will go ahead before the election. Maybe you have been referring to two different things and I’ve taken it to the same one thing?

 

[breadandcircuse]

Ok well I got confused when you said “The trial for his J6 insurrection attempt will not happen until after the election“ and yet you seemed to also be mentioning that this trial with judge Chutkin will go ahead before the election. Maybe you have been referring to two different things and I’ve taken it to the same one thing?

The trial will be after the election, but the decision of what evidence can go forward, with regards to what he is immune from, is what the judge is looking at now. At least, that is how I deciphered it. Sorry if I wasn't clear.

 

[cupid_stunt]

The trial will be after the election, but the decision of what evidence can go forward, with regards to what he is immune from, is what the judge is looking at now. At least, that is how I deciphered it. Sorry if I wasn't clear.

That's my understanding too, a bit like a pre-trial hearing in the UK, which is like a case management conference to review evidence and defence documents, to narrow down areas of dispute, etc.

 

[MrCurry]

The trial will be after the election, but the decision of what evidence can go forward, with regards to what he is immune from, is what the judge is looking at now. At least, that is how I deciphered it. Sorry if I wasn't clear.

Ok, I’m sure what you wrote was clear enough but like you said, so many trials going on it’s easy to get confused. Thanks for clarifying. It will indeed be entertaining to see the evidence brought to light in the run up to the Nov poll

 

[breadandcircuse]

Ok, I’m sure what you wrote was clear enough but like you said, so many trials going on it’s easy to get confused. Thanks for clarifying. It will indeed be entertaining to see the evidence brought to light in the run up to the Nov poll

Those poor walls at Mardy Lardo. I fear they are in for a deluge of ketchup .

 

[VivaE]

eta: that's actually from Analysis: Trump’s incomprehensible child care comments appear to have broken a dam

which is quite a good piece saying that media in the US is sanitizing Trump's comments by describing them and that they should really be quoting what he actually says.

It's a very good piece. I particularly liked this bit -

“Here’s my challenge to journalists over the next two months: quote Trump in full,” Max Kennerly, a lawyer and legal commentator, wrote on X on Thursday, alongside a video posted by the Harris campaign of Trump’s comments. “Don’t clean him up, don’t reinterpret what he says in a more sensible way, don’t secretly editorialize. Just quote him. Let the voters see how this man’s mind doesn’t work.”

 

[ATOMIC SUPLEX]

It's just insane that the race is this close. I don't understand how or why so many people are backing him.
It's absolutely crackers from where I am standing.
I fear that the electoral college might swing things in his favour for a win.

America is really fucked up.

 

[gosub]

Trump Tax Cuts Would Cost More Than Almost All Federal Agencies

https://archive.ph/IEw84

 

[Zapp Brannigan]

It's just insane that the race is this close. I don't understand how or why so many people are backing him.
It's absolutely crackers from where I am standing.
I fear that the electoral college might swing things in his favour for a win.

America is really fucked up.

This is the bit I don't get either. People voting for (e.g.) a Theresa May Conservative party - I disagree with but understand those who vote along party lines on the simplistic model of 'free-market vs state intervention', there wasn't anything about May screaming "red flag, red flag" in her outward appearance of sensible and intelligent. In a similar way, I disagree entirely with but understand those who would have voted McCain or Romney vs Obama.

Boris Johnson on the other hand is a walking red flag - all the things held up as his positives, such as "charisma" and "character", I simply don't see them and I can't find a way to put myself in the shoes of someone who does.

Donald Trump is Johnson x a million.

 

[pogofish]

The J6 one. Chutkin is over that in DC, Loose Cannon is the Docs one in Florida. The confusion may be to some, that Jack Smith is prosecuting both cases.

Timelines for the various Trump cases:

Master Calendar of Trump Court Dates: Criminal and Civil Cases

Tracking the legal and political milestones in former President Trump's busy 2023-2024 court and campaign calendar.

www.justsecurity.org

Timeline of Trump’s Legal Cases as He Runs for President in 2024

Tracking Donald Trump’s legal cases which show multiple trials and court dates that coincide with key Republican primaries as he campaigns for his 2024 presidential run.

www.bloomberg.com

Even then, they leave your head spinning..!

 

[petee]

It's just insane that the race is this close. I don't understand how or why so many people are backing him.

because he's an avatar. he says what "people are really thinking", he "fights", he "doesn't care" what the "liberal establishment" thinks. he never admits error or failure (having NPD) and lots of people like to identify with that. he fills a need in the rightwing mind for a leader (when i was new to the internet, that person was GWB, would you believe). he's a shell of a human being and that allows people to project into him what they want.

he said rightly that he could kill people in broad daylight, and still get votes. he could announce a socialist economic program tomorrow, and get the same votes.

 

[Nylock]

Regarding him announcing a socialist programme and getting away with it, I find that highly doubtful. Don't forget he tried a moderate row-back of his abortion position and got panned so hard by his special interest backers that he overnight fell into line. As long as the evils he promotes are "the right kind" of evils, he's ok, otherwise he gets whipped into submission just as rapidly as the other spineless fucks that populate that dumpster fire of a political party...

 

[Yossarian]

Regarding him announcing a socialist programme and getting away with it, I find that highly doubtful. Don't forget he tried a moderate row-back of his abortion position and got panned so hard by his special interest backers that he overnight fell into line. As long as the evils he promotes are "the right kind" of evils, he's ok, otherwise he gets whipped into submission just as rapidly as the other spineless fucks that populate that dumpster fire of a political party...

I doubt he'd ever use the s-word to describe his policies, but a lot of his rhetoric is anti-big business and anti-globalisation, I can see him moving further left in an "I'll keep the hands of those filthy socialists off your Social Security and Medicare" kind of way.

From 2016, when he might not have won if there hadn't been some overlap between his positions and those of Bernie Sanders:

On a series of issues, including free trade and foreign military intervention, Trump is effectively running to the left not only of his own party but also of Clinton .... In recent days, he has also moved to the left on the minimum wage and tax policy, suggesting that he is willing to alter his positions to benefit the middle class.

Trump’s apparent positions of agreement with Sanders have added to his problems with Republicans, many of whom are refusing to back him as the presumptive nominee because of his caustic rhetoric and controversial policies. The mogul waves away such complaints. ... He added on ABC’s “This Week”: “Don’t forget — this is called the Republican Party. It’s not called the Conservative Party."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/how-donald-trump-is-running-to-the-left-of-hillary-clinton/2016/05/09/ebde82da-147c-11e6-8967-7ac733c56f12_story.html

 

[Nylock]

I'm more inclined to believe him going more libertarian right than left... Him tacking to the left of a 'left' opponent was just business as usual bullshit politicking.

 

[spring-peeper]

Trump Mistakenly Calls Elon Musk by Wrong Name at Rally

Behind the bulletproof glass at his Monisee, Wisconsin rally on Saturday, the former President slipped up when talking about his new, old friend.

www.thedailybeast.com

Former President Donald Trump, 78, seemed to have a brain fade as he mistakenly referred to Elon Musk as “Leon” at a rally on Saturday.

“Boeing, I shouldn’t say anything there is a beautiful Boeing plane right there,” Trump told his Mosinee, Wisconsin crowd pointing to his Trump Force One.

“But, ehh Boeing had a little hard time, so they are going to save—Leon is going to send them a rocket,” Trump added, referring to a plan from Musk’s SpaceX to rescue the two Boeing astronauts who are stranded aboard the International Space Station after NASA deemed their Boeing Starliner vessel unsafe to get them back down to earth. “He looks forward to it, that’s all he thinks about is things like that,” Trump concluded.

The former president has floated a plan to have Musk lead a government efficiency commission within his administration if he wins the 2024 election.

 

[Yossarian]

I'm more inclined to believe him going more libertarian right than left... Him tacking to the left of a 'left' opponent was just business as usual bullshit politicking.

Yeah, I wouldn't expect him to actually stick to any campaign promises that didn't involve cutting taxes for rich people or being shitty to foreigners

 

[GarveyLives]

"Donald Trump, now the oldest candidate to run for president, is facing intense scrutiny over his age and mental sharpness — and his biographer thinks Trump is “hyper-aware” that he is cognitively slipping and trying to make up for it with “convoluted explanations,” according to a report.

President Joe Biden dropped out of the 2024 race after a fumbled debate performance that had voters questioning his mental acuity. Now Trump is facing similar questions and is trying to provide explanations for his frequent mentions of Hannibal Lecter, garbled words, incomplete thoughts, conflating the names of prominent figures, and his penchant for rambling ..."

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‘Desperate’ Trump is ‘hyper-aware’ that he is slipping mentally and making less sense, his biographer says

 

[brogdale]

Some useful pre-TV "debate" polling numbers:

 

[Coffeecup]

If he sells his shares, what could happen?

 

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crashes the price even further/