That’s what I was wondering. He’s so desperate for money and never sees the consequences of his actions.crashes the price even further/
Donald Trump the road that might not lead to the White House - Redux 2024 thread.
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breadandcircuse
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George Conway has done a good job here. It needs to be used by the Dems all over the media, instead of them "interpreting" his ramblings, and thereby aiding the fucker. The bit at the end is the chef's kissThis is Trump's full statement on child care. As I said, a previous quote missed out the bit where he said it would be funded by import tariffs. This one is much clearer:
eta: that's actually from Analysis: Trump’s incomprehensible child care comments appear to have broken a dam
which is quite a good piece saying that media in the US is sanitizing Trump's comments by describing them and that they should really be quoting what he actually says.
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VivaE
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Even the odious Dick Cheney has come out in support of Harris. A sign hopefully that even those who're only a handful of steps up the (a)moral ladder from trump realise the consequences of another trump administration.
tim
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Given the way Trump and the MAGATS have treated Liz Cheney, it's no surprise that her dad is publicly opposing Trump. As with the chips of the McCain block, it is personal
breadandcircuse
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Glenn breaks down Judge Merchan's decision to delay sentencing on the orange pos. It makes sense, but it does look as if the creature has got away with his shit again. I want to see the fucker suffer.
VivaE
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You've likely phrased it correctly, the loathsome Cheney senior seeing it first and foremost as an opportunity to point score. All about him. But, if it makes other MAGAs pause for thought, then it's a positive. Liz Cheney (the good Cheney) has been very vocal about her disgust with trump for a long time so her endorsement of Harris is coming from a committed, informed place, unlike his. No pats on the back for bitter and twisted him.
Very restrained, I thought, all things considered... although I don't care for the depraved, misogynistic trump/vance being likened to animals. Pigs are lovely. Do better.
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Yuwipi Woman
Whack-A-Mole Queen
I've seen no evidence in the OT that the Abrahamic tradition cares the least bit about reverence for life. Half the OT is talking about God point this way or other and telling the people to go kill all the men, women, children, and oxen. Then, there's the first born of Egypt. Not exactly pro-life there either. And, I haven't even gotten to the way this god's followers have acted over these last few thousand years.
petee
no gods, no malarkey
now, and relatively, but ...
Liz Cheney - Wikipedia
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Liz Cheney - Wikipedia
Monkeygrinder's Organ
Dodgy geezer swilling vapid lager
The thing is though it's basically free money for him isn't it. It's not like he's invested billions in it he stands to lose. If he can sell for a billion say that might be a massive nominal loss compared to what they were supposedly worth a few months ago but it's a massive profit in terms of actual realised $$$.
pogofish
Testicle Hairstyle
He's based much of his career on pauperising small to medium-scale investors and contractors, whilst letting the banks who keep bailing him out deal with the larger ones via his various rescue/refinancing deals.
Trump sees the consequences very well but simply doesn't care about them - and if it wasn't blindingly obvious before, he admitted as much in cross examination at his business fraud trial.
VivaE
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now, and relatively, but ...
Liz Cheney - Wikipedia
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Liz Cheney - Wikipedia
I was using the term relatively to distinguish her and her Harris endorsement motivations from her father's.
The bar is so grimly low in terms of what currently constitutes 'good'. I'm happy to go with the now of her, that she's speaking out against trump.
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petee
no gods, no malarkey
i fully agree. it's just that i remember when the neocons were the nadir of political practice, and she was one of them, and still would be if she got back onto the white house staff. it was shrub who re-politicized me.
relative to trump tho" ...
Skinny Ethel
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His a fiddliñg cuñt
Do the electorate at large remember Cheney? He may have been the brain inside Dubya, and one of the chief architects of the Iraq war, but was he even that famous when he left office, sixteen years ago?
tim
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Donny is going to get you if you've been nasty to him.
Trump threatens to jail adversaries for ‘unscrupulous behavior’ if he wins
Trump threatens to jail adversaries for ‘unscrupulous behavior’ if he wins
I spoke to a high school teacher in 2013 when visiting friends in Florida who didn’t know who he was
WouldBe
Dislicksick
A pom-pom on the end of the string.Tampoms might catch on though.
cupid_stunt
Chief seagull hater & farmerbarleymow's nemesis.
For anyone interested in watching or recording the debate it is on -
Live on Channel 4 from 1:30 – 4am on Wednesday 11th September
Live on Channel 4 from 1:30 – 4am on Wednesday 11th September
Jeff Robinson
Marxist-Lentilist: Jackboots and Jackfruit
Still neck and neck in national polls and swing states. Many Americans still unsure if pedophilia, rape and fascism are bad.
www.theguardian.com
Harris and Trump tied in latest US election polls, as Tuesday’s debate nears
National and swing-state polling indicates a narrow race, with support for Trump remaining solid despite his change of Democratic rival
Kaka Tim
Half Arsed and Slapdash till I Die
yeah - the initial momentum and poll boost got the dems quite giddy - but polls seemed to have stablised at neck and neck. This is depite Trumps visible deterioation and such appallling crass moments like "thumbs up over the graves of veterens" - and again we are back to "why would anyone vote for the sack of shit?" - tbh none of the reasons offered really satisfactoily explain how he is attracting nearly half of americas voters.Still neck and neck in national polls and swing states. Many Americans still unsure if pedophilia, rape and fascism are bad.
Harris and Trump tied in latest US election polls, as Tuesday’s debate nears
National and swing-state polling indicates a narrow race, with support for Trump remaining solid despite his change of Democratic rival
I mean - obviosuly there is widespread disatisfaction and unhappiness with the state of the nation and significent amount of deprivation - but there isnt things like mass unemployment, widespread societal breakdown, hyper inflation etc going down - i.e the kind of things that historically give rise to fascism and similar (and even at their peak in germany the Nazis only ever got 33% of the vote) . In other western countries the populist right provokes enought of a push back to keep them below 30% (and with far more credilbe candidates than Trump - and tbh has there ever been a worse potentailly winning candidate anywhere - ever) - its a proper headscatcher and deeply troubling .
Yuwipi Woman
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Whenever I ask my neighbors why they support Trump they always say "yes, I know he's an asshole, but the economy was better." It's almost the exact same words every time. I think the pervasiveness of right-wing propaganda channels like Newsmax and Fox really give the GOP an edge.
emanymton
A cat politely sat on the flaming gardener.
I think it's and excuse, something they can say that sounds reasonable.
Monkeygrinder's Organ
Dodgy geezer swilling vapid lager
In other countries the populist right has generally come about as a new party which is to varying degrees outside the historical mainstream of that country hasn't it. I think what you can see with Trump is the advantages of doing it within one of the established parties. For me I think there's a much bigger risk in the UK of someone genuinely far right coming through as Tory leader than there is of Refuk or whoever gaining power.
tim
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US parties are not structured political entities in the same way as British parties are. Tory MPs will nominate the Leadership candidates, and they are much less radicalised that some of the Grassroot mrmbers. As was seen with: Johnson, Truss and Corbyn; British party leaders who alienate MPs get sacked.
Trump was not a staunch Republican before becoming Candidate and President; Sanders stood in the Democratic Primaries but served in Congress as an independent Socialist, not as a Democrat.
Jeff Robinson
Marxist-Lentilist: Jackboots and Jackfruit
Nylock offered a good account of some of the factors driving the Trump phenomenon.
Whilst the US isnt experiencing societal breakdown equivalent to the Weimar Republic, I think there is significant social dysfunction, political and regulatory capture, corruption and huge economic inequality, all problems that exist everywhere but in America they are on a different scale to the countries of Western Europe for example. You can go on to youtube and search videos about the drug addiction crisis in Kensington Philadelpha. The footage shows streets full of people addicted to tranquilizers and opiods. They look like zombies. Some have lost limbs. And the authorities just leave them on the streets to die. Then there are 'tent cities' in places like LA and San Fransico - huge encampments of homeless people pitching up make-shift accomodation in the street. I don't think most of these people would be Trump voters - or voters at all for that matter (in fact Trump voters on the whole probably want these streets to be socially 'cleansed') but these are some indicators of the extreme social dislocations experienced in the USA, and fascist demogogues thrive in such conditions.
VivaE
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trump getting his deranged ducks in a row as to why tomorrow's debate will be rigged in Harris's favour:
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