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Stochastic terrorism will be increasingly used, and effective. And unorganised people have comms too. Unless the government takes down the internet they’ll be able to organise pretty well.
Donald Trump the road that might not lead to the White House - Redux 2024 thread.
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Stochastic terrorism will be increasingly used, and effective. And unorganised people have comms too. Unless the government takes down the internet they’ll be able to organise pretty well.
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Changing the facts
If there is a war in America it won’t be two sides lined up against each other across a battlefield. It’ll be like the messy wars we’ve seen in the Middle East for the last several decades.
Not least because it’s Americans who’ve been involved in those wars.
Dug in here, marauding there, skirmishes sieges and night raids, holding and ceding ground, guerrilla tactics etc.
I think we’re closer to it than some people think. I was taken to task as a fool last year for saying so.
Full article C&P below. Stats and facts included.
Not least because it’s Americans who’ve been involved in those wars.
Dug in here, marauding there, skirmishes sieges and night raids, holding and ceding ground, guerrilla tactics etc.
I think we’re closer to it than some people think. I was taken to task as a fool last year for saying so.
Full article C&P below. Stats and facts included.
Could the United States be headed for a national divorce?
There is a growing divide in US society and politics along old civil war battle lines – and the election could make things worse.
The American Civil War (1861-65) was fought over slavery and, to a lesser extent, states’ rights and the future of the economy. In the run-up to the 2024 US elections, there is talk of another civil war brewing over the country’s future.
While there is no imminent threat of armies clashing on the battlefield, increasing hyperbolic insurrectionist sentiment is a product of a growing realization that the US is now more divided along ideological and political lines than at any time since the 1850s.
An increasingly Balkanized US is likely to be even more inward-looking, preoccupied with internal divisions over immigration, race, inequality, and sexual and gender identity issues. Such self-absorption is already manifesting itself in isolationism and protectionism at the expense of the security and economic alliances that have greatly benefitted the US and the world for decades.
Half (54 per cent) of self-described strong Republicans in America now think it is very or somewhat likely there will be a US civil war within the next decade. Four in ten (40 per cent) strong Democrats agree.
Rep. Majorie Taylor Greene, a right-wing Republican from Georgia, has called for a ‘national divorce’. ‘We need to separate by red states and blue states’. And one in four (23 per cent) Americans support their state seceding from the Union.
This split could be seen in the 2020 election between the blue states that voted for Joe Biden and the red states that voted for Donald Trump, with many of the Trump states among those that seceded from the Union in 1861.
But the emergent two Americas can also be seen across a range of divisive social issues that reflect deeper divisions than those that merely manifest themselves at the ballot box.
Of the 15 US states with the most restrictive abortion laws, all voted for Trump in 2020 and seven were originally in the Confederacy.
Of the 21 states with the most permissive gun laws in 2023, 19 voted for Trump, and six were in the Confederacy.
Of the 19 states that enacted laws in 2022 making it harder to vote, 14 voted for Trump and seven were in the Confederacy.
And of the 23 states that enacted legislation in 2023 imposing restrictions on gender-affirming care, transgender participation in school sports, school instruction touching on LBGTQ issues and related matters, 22 voted for Trump and nine were in the Confederacy.
Moreover, these civil war era divisions have now emerged in a constitutional confrontation over immigration. In January, the US Supreme Court ordered Texas to remove razor wire it had put up along the Rio Grande river to stop migrants from crossing. Texas Governor Greg Abbot refused to comply, claiming the compact between the states and the United States had been broken by President Biden’s failure to halt illegal immigration.
Abbot’s suggestion that the US Constitution is a mere compact that states may ignore at their discretion is reminiscent of the Confederacy’s rationale for being able to leave the Union in 1861.
Compounding such divisions are the growing differences in public opinion and voting preferences between rural and urban areas.
In terms of public opinion, nearly two-thirds (64 per cent) of urban Americans believe immigration strengthens society, while a majority (57 per cent) of rural Americans say it threatens traditional American customs and values. Seven in ten (70 per cent) urban Americans hold the view that government should do more to solve problems. Half (49 per cent)of those in rural areas think that the government is doing too many things best left to businesses and individuals.
In terms of voting preferences, of the half dozen most urbanized states, only one voted for Trump and it was also in the Confederacy. Of the half dozen least urbanized states, four voted for Trump and two were in the Confederacy.
These growing divisions in American society are mirrored in a growing partisanship in many attitudes towards the US role in the world and pressing international issues.
70 per cent of Republicans who support Trump believe that Ukraine aid has not been worth the cost, compared with 69 per cent of Democrats who say it has been worth it. On the Israel-Hamas war, six in ten (61 per cent) liberal Democrats believe Israel is going too far in its military operation against Hamas, but only 8 per cent of conservative Republicans agree.
ska invita
back on the other side
yeah well that's the classic military coup dynamic, how much is the military on side.... only one way to find out
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Jeff Robinson
Marxist-Lentilist: Jackboots and Jackfruit
NoXion
Craicy the Squirrel
The lack of willingness to press home significant consequences against the perpetrators early on is exactly the kind of pussy-footing that has emboldened the current crop of far-right insurrectionists and traitors. By not taking decisive action in the first instance, the US authorities have helped to either create the conditions for their own downfall, or they have forced themselves into bringing the hammer down much harder when the situation becomes even more dire later on.
These fucks openly call themselves domestic terrorists and talk about purges, deportations and executions. I'm not at all upset at anyone for becoming frustrated with violent fascists being treated with kid gloves. It's shameful that the situation has been allowed to deteriorate this far.
VivaE
Well-Known Member
You know what, maybe reserve your judgement for the real pricks here, the ones that are happily and knowingly indulging this freak, rather than those who see the damage this freak and his freak support base are doing.
They 100% own and would be responsible for the potential death and destruction that you're so concerned about.
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Ming
I shot a man in Reno...
He was right when he said he could shoot someone in broad daylight and not lose any votes. Unfortunately. I believe his supporters call this stuff 'owning the dems/libs'. He also said to their faces 'we love the poorly educated'. It's a cult basically.
Rompipalle
“Mad as hell & I’m not going to take this anymore”
This looked fun, Trump had a rally on private land (perhaps because he owes money for other venues) and looks like failed to pay for buses to get people back to their cars. From what I've seen elsewhere that left thousands of largely old people stranded in heat.
I have no sympathy.
None.
Anyone who hasn't yet realised exactly what Trump is - and what he's playing at - deserves all they get.
Rompipalle
“Mad as hell & I’m not going to take this anymore”
A sort of "Dis-United State", in other words.
Rompipalle
“Mad as hell & I’m not going to take this anymore”
Tosser.
two sheds
Least noticed poster 2007
Indeed, particularly when you see why the coaches actually didn't reappear.
breadandcircuse
Well-Known Member
Jeff Robinson
Marxist-Lentilist: Jackboots and Jackfruit
even members of the military calling Trump a fascist…
Chz
Stark Raving Sane
The generals are always inclined towards Republican/conservative candidates, but they're more sensitive to potential instability than the average voter if that makes sense. They want a strong leader figure, with a consistent foreign policy, and Trump isn't that. They're also big fans of shipping all their out of date kit to Ukraine so they can buy new kit, and Trump's not behind that either.
That being said, the brass don't have much effect on how the rank and file vote and there's clearly more of them. They went for Biden in 2020, and it's pretty close in 2024 though Trump's rhetoric against mail-in and absentee voting targets them directly. Veterans, on the other hand, will vote for any marsupial with a Republican sticker.
Chz
Stark Raving Sane
I'll have to dig up a link, but it was something like twice as many vets thought Harris would make the country worse overall compared to Trump. You're not going to easily find actual vote results, so you'll have to take the polls of them with a grain of salt. What's interesting (or obvious) is they're very much in favour of both VP candidates, because they're both veterans. There's no Rep/Dem split on the VP role.
Nylock
I hate 'these days'...
General Mark Milley (his former head of the joint chiefs of staff) has come out saying the guy is a 'fascist to the core'. Maybe the other generals who served under him (like Matthis etc) will follow his lead...?
Boo Radley75
Well-Known Member
Trump has just told a room full of women that he is "the father of IVF."
VivaE
Well-Known Member
The 5th of Jan is not three weeks away! Fake news alert!!
We need to keep reminding and reminding and reminding the MAGAs that they have until Jan 5 2025 to cast their votes.
JAN 5TH 2025 for those at the back of the field still waiting for a bus ride home.
WouldBe
Dislicksick
I'm very fick.Trump has just told a room full of women that he is "the father of IVF."
Yossarian
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Trump has just told a room full of women that he is "the father of IVF."
"I'm the father of this thing that I learned about when I was 78 years old"
During a women's town hall on Fox News in Cumming, Georgia, Trump referred to himself as "the father of IVF," but added that he asked Sen. Katie Britt, R-Ala., to explain what in vitro fertilization was during a phone call.
"I said explain IVF very quickly, and within about two minutes, I understood it," Trump said. "I said, no, no, we're totally in favor of IVF."
Election 2024 live updates: Harris to hit Pennsylvania before Fox News interview; Trump joins town hall in Miami
The latest news and live updates on the 2024 election as Harris and Vance campaign in Pennsylvania and Trump holds a town hall with Univision in Miami.
www.nbcnews.com
He's a huge fan of David Dickinson.
VivaE
Well-Known Member
"I'm the father of this thing that I learned about when I was 78 years old"
During a women's town hall on Fox News in Cumming, Georgia, Trump referred to himself as "the father of IVF," but added that he asked Sen. Katie Britt, R-Ala., to explain what in vitro fertilization was during a phone call.
"I said explain IVF very quickly, and within about two minutes, I understood it," Trump said. "I said, no, no, we're totally in favor of IVF."
Election 2024 live updates: Harris to hit Pennsylvania before Fox News interview; Trump joins town hall in Miami
The latest news and live updates on the 2024 election as Harris and Vance campaign in Pennsylvania and Trump holds a town hall with Univision in Miami.
Fuck NBC though for that summary (in the link) where they just can't help themselves -
As if that's the concerning issue. After the most recent week of trump? Jesus.
American MSM is so down there in the trump sewer, happily swilling about in his turds, enabling him and the disgusting chaos he creates, all for entertainment and clicks and revenue.
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_Russ_
Never not Knowingly Misunderstood
I had to google the name, but wow similar age apparently and the same orangeness.....is it like a genetic thing perhaps that kicks in later in life?...fuck I hope I dont have that gene
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