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Do you wear a mask? (24/10)

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  • Yes

    Votes: 115 94.3%
  • No

    Votes: 7 5.7%
  • Exempted

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Total voters
    122
Thing is you can't expect shop staff to enforce this, at best they'll get an "I'm exempt" response at worse a torrent of abuse and possible violence from the more extreme lunatics.
I think the way to do this would be to have a small squad of police who can focus on individual shops, and do a couple of hours' enforcement before moving on. There's just no way that this is going to be dealt with in the absence of meaningful enforcement. And "I'm exempt" needs to be accompanied by some form of documentation.

This is an interesting take on the legal issues around all this, though...

 
But plenty of shops do manage to enforce it, so it's not impossible. But mostly yeah, I think now is too late, but if it'd been enforced properly from the start across the board I think it would be entirely possible and mostly fine and complied with now. Staff enforce all sorts of things like smoking, dress, behaviour, etc. Decent signs, a robust attitude, and what was suggested above by existentialist right from the start of this would have sorted this as a problem imo.

Obviously the complicating factor is that mask wearing and similar measures have become politicised rather than being about public health.
 
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If it’s going to be enforced, they also need to have a stack of masks ready to hand out to people who don’t have one on them

They do at the supermarkets around here, you can't expect smaller shops to do that.
 
They do at the supermarkets around here, you can't expect smaller shops to do that.
It’s not so much about “expecting” (although masks are hardly expensive, so I don’t see why not). It’s just about recognising that the social pressure of somebody saying, “can’t I just come in for a second, I only need to get (valuable item X)” is hard to resist for a shopkeeper. It’s a lot easier to say “sure, but here’s a mask to put on” than it is to say “no, sorry, stay out and we’ll both have to not get what we want from this commercial relationship”
 
It’s not so much about “expecting” (although masks are hardly expensive, so I don’t see why not). It’s just about recognising that the social pressure of somebody saying, “can’t I just come in for a second, I only need to get (valuable item X)” is hard to resist for a shopkeeper. It’s a lot easier to say “sure, but here’s a mask to put on” than it is to say “no, sorry, stay out and we’ll both have to not get what we want from this commercial relationship”
If nothing else, it does sort out the "just forgots" from those who are making some kind of point. And that's a useful distinction to make.

ETA: I've "just forgotten" a couple of times, going to the local shop. They waved me in, but I - virtuously - walked the 2 minutes back up the hill, got my mask, and went back masked.

They do have a pile of masks for sale right by the door, so in theory I could just have bought one and carried on. I'm just a bit tight, and like my FFP2 masks.
 
But plenty of shops do manage to enforce it, so it's not impossible. But mostly yeah, I think now is too late, but if it'd been enforced properly from the start across the board I think it would be entirely possible and mostly fine and complied with now. Staff enforce all sorts of things like smoking, dress, behaviour, etc. Decent signs, a robust attitude, and what was suggested above by existentialist right from the start of this would have sorted this as a problem imo.

Obviously the complicating factor is that mask wearing and similar measures have become politicised rather than being about public health.
It was never properly enforced from the start....big retail is way too concerned about takings, we are not legally allowed to ask for proof of exemption and loads of people cottoned on to that one early on. Plus we did try but the daily abuse,ranting swearing etc was a proper grind...i don't think a lot of people actually comprehend how bad things can be, so this time we are not commenting...more people are wearing masks than they were on tuesday but a large amount of people aren't ! Signs take time to arrive, it's not a simple process and we were all caught out a bit. Don't know what you mean about enforcing rules on dress ? apart from bare feet there are no rules....and behaviour has to be really bad to get chucked out...we have low/medium bad behaviour all the time, it has become the norm.

We are not the police, we have enough on our plates trying to do our jobs without policing people that should be personally responsible.
 
Last time we went through literally boxes and boxes of masks daily for people that forgot (couldn't be arsed to buy their own)
 
No masks in the pickle shop this morning - no surprise there, but I've seen a lot more people of all risk categories pointedly wearing them in the street.
I will be braving Tesco tomorrow for essential supplies ...
 
My experience is of shop workers proportionally being about as lax as the customers on mask wearing except those actually on checkouts and a lot of them seem to think having a a bit of perspex in front of them thats open on 3 sides means even the checkouts are maskless and thats in Wales where its not stopped being mandatory, but as ive said many times nothing is enforced and Ive not seen a single police person near a shop all through this
 
Don't know what you mean about enforcing rules on dress ? apart from bare feet there are no rules....and behaviour has to be really bad to get chucked out...we have low/medium bad behaviour all the time, it has become the norm.

Just that plenty of shops won't let people in in bikinis or without a top. But yeah agree mostly, it's been fucked up from the start, and it doesn't happen in other countries so it must have been possible.
 
My experience is of shop workers proportionally being about as lax as the customers on mask wearing except those actually on checkouts and a lot of them seem to think having a a bit of perspex in front of them thats open on 3 sides means even the checkouts are maskless and thats in Wales where its not stopped being mandatory, but as ive said many times nothing is enforced and Ive not seen a single police person near a shop all through this
everyone where i work is wearing one (unless exempt, coz we can be exempt too)....and staff on checkout are told they don't have to wear one unless they want to
 
Just that plenty of shops won't let people in in bikinis or without a top. But yeah agree mostly, it's been fucked up from the start, and it doesn't happen in other countries so it must have been possible.
We don't have a policy to stop men coming in bare chested (personally don't agree with it)...don't think we've actually had a full on bikini but not far off...think my most memorable was a female student with her mates and all she had on was slippers, knickers and a blanket round her (it was very obvious there was nothing under it)....jamas, dressing gown, slippers etc are very common
 
everyone where i work is wearing one (unless exempt, coz we can be exempt too)....and staff on checkout are told they don't have to wear one unless they want to
Glad to hear it and thanks, there isnt a single establishment I could say the same of in my town
 
How does one pointedly wear a mask?
OK perhaps an exaggeration, but I got the feeling they were being worn in unusual contexts and I was struck by one young mother helping her toddler mask-up before going into Tesco - small children have always been mostly unmasked even where I live ...
 
How does one pointedly wear a mask?
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Just that plenty of shops won't let people in in bikinis or without a top. But yeah agree mostly, it's been fucked up from the start, and it doesn't happen in other countries so it must have been possible.
The one that gets me is the security people, try walking out with a couple of not paid for bottles of Moet and they wont be scared to confront you, it an overall fucked up mindset thats developed in this fucked up self obsessed knuckle dragging country
and like you say, other countries do it so it can only be that we are crap at being not crap
 
Just needs the Police to fine a few people £200 & the publicity that follows would see mask wearing increase overnight.
 
Just needs the Police to fine a few people £200 & the publicity that follows would see mask wearing increase overnight.
I don't think the police has any more rights than joe public to ask for a proof of exemption because discrimination act or some such unfortunately. This is something the anti mask lot include lozza the twat fox have been publicly pushing since day 1 of masks being made mandatory last year.

e2a: and it is quite right that people who are genuinely exempt shouldn't have to prove it. Which is why the twunts can get away with it.
 
I don't think the police has any more rights than joe public to ask for a proof of exemption because discrimination act or some such unfortunately. This is something the anti mask lot include lozza the twat fox have been publicly pushing since day 1 of masks being made mandatory last year.

e2a: and it is quite right that people who are genuinely exempt shouldn't have to prove it. Which is why the twunts can get away with it.
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e2a: and it is quite right that people who are genuinely exempt shouldn't have to prove it

I'd appreciate if you could explain to me why. without getting too close to that "its against my human rights" vagueness that the anti-maskers use.
 
I'd appreciate if you could explain to me why. without getting too close to that "its against my human rights" vagueness that the anti-maskers use.
Because the sort of people who are likely to genuinely need exemptions (eg. disabled, people with mental health problems) are already pretty viciously discriminated against, and really don't need to start having to produce papers to say why.

ETA: watch that video I linked to upthread for a more cogent legal explanation.
 
Because the sort of people who are likely to genuinely need exemptions (eg. disabled, people with mental health problems) are already pretty viciously discriminated against, and really don't need to start having to produce papers to say why.

ETA: watch that video I linked to upthread for a more cogent legal explanation.
I get the sentiment but those people are of course those who most need the ones who can wear masks but won't to stop whinging and put one on. And unless they have some easily accessible and acceptable way of showing their exemption will get lumped in with the refuseniks and ratlickers.
 
I get the sentiment but those people are of course those who most need the ones who can wear masks but won't to stop whinging and put one on. And unless they have some easily accessible and acceptable way of showing their exemption will get lumped in with the refuseniks and ratlickers.
I agree. But I think the situation is not as simple as it might seem at first glance. The people I reserve the greatest disdain for are those claiming exemption (and those, like that cunt Lawrence Fox, who enable it) for no good reason, which automatically disadvantages those with a legitimate need.

If I had my way, there'd be a sign outside each supermarket saying "If you are claiming an exemption without a genuine medical need, you are spitting in the faces of those who can't wear masks. Have a nice day."
 
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