Do angry vegans turn you against going vegan?

[beesonthewhatnow]

Amazing

 

[sleaterkinney]

You’ve not met my Mum’s cat.

Everyone has met your Mum's cat.

 

[mojo pixy]

PaoloSanchez .. what is an impaired human, as per the quote you posted?

 

[SaskiaJayne]

A vegan made me angry at a christmas fair today. Vegan food van 6 quid for a spinach burger.

 

[Jeff Robinson]

The Radical Left’s Top 10 Objections to Veganism (And Why They Suck)

 

[beesonthewhatnow]

The Radical Left’s Top 10 Objections to Veganism (And Why They Suck)

a practicing ethical vegan... refuse to sit at a table where animal products are being consumed

So, I invite a P.E.V. to a dinner party and offer to cook something vegan for them. But no, thats not enough, every other fucker there has to jump in line as well?

My response would be "well, fucking stay at home then you precious twat".

Can't be arsed reading beyond that tbh.

 

[SpookyFrank]

The Radical Left’s Top 10 Objections to Veganism (And Why They Suck)

I bet telling people that their beliefs and ethical judgements 'suck' is going to start working any day now.

 

[SpookyFrank]

A vegan made me angry at a christmas fair today. Vegan food van 6 quid for a spinach burger.

I'm sure everything else at this christmas fair was reasonably priced too.

 

[mojo pixy]

The Radical Left’s Top 10 Objections to Veganism (And Why They Suck)

''a practicing ethical vegan... refuse to sit at a table where animal products are being consumed''
My response would be "well, fucking stay at home then you precious twat".

Can't be arsed reading beyond that tbh.

I did read the whole thing (and my thought at that point was, ''OK bye then!'') but as I read the same thought kept coming into my mind: What if someone just doesn't want to eat vegan all the time? What then? Is that person evil, immoral, unethical? After all, food choices are not really logical; emotion, instinct, even sheer habit goes into diet. All the arguments may stack up but in the end if someone just doesn't want to, where do you go from there?

My experience is, this is where namecalling begins.

 

[beesonthewhatnow]

I still object to the seemingly prevailing thought from our lentil munching friends that by not choosing to go vegan I've somehow not thought this through properly, or have some sort of cognitive dissonance as to the processes involved that get meat on my plate.

Eating meat involves killing animals, which, due to the volumes involved for the society around us is often a bit of a brutal and rather unpleasant process. But, here's the thing. I am OK with that.

 

[mojo pixy]

That's what I mean. Beyond all the arguments - even if they're accepted to be true - there's a point which a lot of people get to which is essentially, I'm OK with it. No arguments can go beyond that point, which is why the namecalling begins there IMO.

 

[Pickman's model]

I still object to the seemingly prevailing thought from our lentil munching friends that by not choosing to go vegan I've somehow not thought this through properly, or have some sort of cognitive dissonance as to the processes involved that get meat on my plate.

Eating meat involves killing animals, which, due to the volumes involved for the society around us is often a bit of a brutal and rather unpleasant process. But, here's the thing. I am OK with that.

it's not just the killing, is it, it's the use of great volumes of resources to feed the animal which is killed and served up to you. are you ok with the with the environmental degradation the meat habit causes?

 

[beesonthewhatnow]

it's not just the killing, is it, it's the use of great volumes of resources to feed the animal which is killed and served up to you. are you ok with the with the environmental degradation the meat habit causes?

That's the trickier part. I guess I'm at the "necessary evil" point but want to see a reduction in consumption and better/more ethical/whatever farming methods being used.

Would be so much easier if they'd just hurry up and perfect lab grown burgers...

 

[Jeff Robinson]

I did read the whole thing (and my thought at that point was, ''OK bye then!'') but as I read the same thought kept coming into my mind: What if someone just doesn't want to eat vegan all the time? What then? Is that person evil, immoral, unethical? After all, food choices are not really logical; emotion, instinct, even sheer habit goes into diet. All the arguments may stack up but in the end if someone just doesn't want to, where do you go from there?

My experience is, this is where namecalling begins.

Are you suggesting that people shouldn't advocate for something they believe in because they will not always be able to persuade others to change? That's rather bizarre. And I have more confidence than you that people can make rational choices about their consumption habits. People change their diets for health reasons all the time, there's no reason why they can't change them for ethical reasons too, indeed, many people do.

 

[Jeff Robinson]

I bet telling people that their beliefs and ethical judgements 'suck' is going to start working any day now.

Tell me, if the article was titled ''The Radical Right’s Top 10 Objections to Feminism (And Why They Suck)' would you have made a similar hand-wringing objection?

 

[8ball]

Eating meat involves killing animals, which, due to the volumes involved for the society around us is often a bit of a brutal and rather unpleasant process. But, here's the thing. I am OK with that.

 

[8ball]

Tell me, if the article was titled ''The Radical Right’s Top 10 Objections to Feminism (And Why They Suck)' would you have made a similar hand-wringing objection?

I think it would have read very strangely if it had that title.

 

[gentlegreen]

Personally I found the whole thing rather cringy - and I'm highly sympathetic to vegan principles - though I will probably be consciously going against them in my golden years.

 

[gentlegreen]

I think it would have read very strangely if it had that title.

Indeed. It should have been "The Radical Right’s Top 10 Objections to flying the national flag at home (And Why They Suck)' or something similar - i.e. something one might expect them to embrace or at least support ...

 

[littlebabyjesus]

So, I invite a P.E.V. to a dinner party and offer to cook something vegan for them. But no, thats not enough, every other fucker there has to jump in line as well?

My response would be "well, fucking stay at home then you precious twat".

Can't be arsed reading beyond that tbh.

It's nothing new, that. Straight-laced vegan policeman types have been a thing in post-punk circles for decades. TBH they're unlikely to be your friend in the first place if you eat meat.

 

[SpookyFrank]

Tell me, if the article was titled ''The Radical Right’s Top 10 Objections to Feminism (And Why They Suck)' would you have made a similar hand-wringing objection?

I read a thing yesterday, ten reasons spittle-flecked vegan keyboard warriors need to think of a way to make a point without using irrelevant and often offensive comparisons to human social issues.

It was pretty good, although the author shot herself in the foot by restricting herself to only ten things.

 

[ddraig]

look at the anger!! the fragility!! the venom!! awwww

 

[Pickman's model]

It's nothing new, that. Straight-laced vegan policeman types have been a thing in post-punk circles for decades. TBH they're unlikely to be your friend in the first place if you eat meat.

strait-laced.

 

[Jeff Robinson]

I read a thing yesterday, ten reasons spittle-flecked vegan keyboard warriors need to think of a way to make a point without using irrelevant and often offensive comparisons to human social issues.

It was pretty good, although the author shot herself in the foot by restricting herself to only ten things.

That article sounds amazing. Shame you didn't read it before you wrote “the fact that saying you're a vegetarian when you sometimes eat fish is like saying you're a feminist but you still grope women in nightclubs on the the third friday of every month.”

 

[beesonthewhatnow]

look at the anger!! the fragility!! the venom!! awwww

Where

 

[gentlegreen]

strait-laced.

Or "straight-edge" - they're even less fun at parties ...

 

[8ball]

look at the anger!! the fragility!! the venom!! awwww

Poor form to admire your own posts so blatantly.

 

[SpookyFrank]

That article sounds amazing. Shame you didn't read it before you wrote “the fact that saying you're a vegetarian when you sometimes eat fish is like saying you're a feminist but you still grope women in nightclubs on the the third friday of every month.”

Notice the edit to that post.

 

[Jeff Robinson]

I read a thing yesterday, ten reasons spittle-flecked vegan keyboard warriors need to think of a way to make a point without using irrelevant and often offensive comparisons to human social issues.

It was pretty good, although the author shot herself in the foot by restricting herself to only ten things.

I'm surprised Franky that you consider it to be "offensive" (boohoo) to compare the violent abuse of nonhuman animals to the violent abuse of human animals. I had actually thought that you were nonhuman yourself. The sheer lack of spine you've demonstrated on this thread and others, I had assumed you were an invertebrate of some sort.

 

[SpookyFrank]

look at the anger!! the fragility!! the venom!! awwww

As I've explained already, I don't eat meat and so I don't have any fragility about it.

As for anger, 'here is everything you think and why it's shit' is pretty clearly an anger-led, and thus completely ineffective way of communicating. And I'm sure as usual the defence to that is 'but I don't care if people agree with me', to which I will again say that you should care about it if you actually want fewer animals to get eaten and you're willing to put that goal before your own bullshit virtue signalling.

The reason this stuff pisses me off is not because I want to eat animals without feeling guilty, exactly the opposite. I want a reduction in use of animal products to be a widespread thing, not just a club I can join to make myself feel special.