Do angry vegans turn you against going vegan?

[littlebabyjesus]

Is PaoloSanchez still eating his lunch?

I fear he may be preparing a long-winded, sententious apologia.

 

[8ball]

I fear he may be preparing a long-winded, sententious apologia.

Ooh - had to look up "sententious". I'll be using that.

 

[ddraig]

Yes, "obviously".

I was expecting refined brown rice protein shakes (the protein is biochemically extracted from the rice) or similar, since there is fairly good evidence (as these things go) that brown rice protein works for athletic performance near-as-dammit as well as animal protein.

But refined brown rice protein is a major constituent of Huel, so you gave me half the answer yourself.

And if he's not taking creatine in some form I'll eat my trousers (I believe vegans are fine with the ingestion of petroleum-derived chemicals - it's not like anyone is going to kill more dinosaurs to top up the supply). Bog standard supplement for athletic types.

but nothing made of animals, so all vegan then
glad we got that sorted

 

[8ball]

but nothing made of animals, so all vegan then
glad we got that sorted

Which part of "refined proteins and chemical supplements" implied animal products?

Although technically not entirely made from plants (some vegans might stipulate that, though I think we're getting into "nutritional puritan" territory there. Perhaps a case of being a vegan and a nutritional puritan rather than being anything to do with the veganism).

So more of a technologically-enhanced vegan diet, with some compounds of distant animal origin if you want to be really pedantic.

Not that there's anything wrong with that; perfectly ethical imo.

 

[ddraig]

not read it but thought some here would appreciate it
Beyond Carnism

 

[Spymaster]

not read it but thought some here would appreciate it
Beyond Carnism

Is that what you want for xmas?

 

[ddraig]

Is that what you want for xmas?

dunno, not read it, like i said

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

As a ‘flexitarian’ I can enjoy the smugness of vegetarianism while still eating meat

 

[Spymaster]

dunno, not read it, like i said

Well if you had, you wouldn't want it, would you?

 

[ddraig]

Well if you had, you wouldn't want it, would you?

still dunno!

 

[Humirax]

Surely the vegan equivalent of Malcolm X or MLK would be a non-human?

Because otherwise it's like white people claiming to speak for black people.

You are missing the elephant in the room, that being that animals can't speak up or stand up for themselves and therefore need us to speak up and stand up for them.

 

[8ball]

You are missing the elephant in the room, that being that animals can't speak up or stand up for themselves and therefore need us to speak up and stand up for them.

You’ve not met my Mum’s cat.

 

[beesonthewhatnow]

You’ve not met my Mum’s cat.

 

[NoXion]

You are missing the elephant in the room, that being that animals can't speak up or stand up for themselves and therefore need us to speak up and stand up for them.

No, they don't.

 

[PaoloSanchez]

Black Vegans Step Out, for Their Health and Other Causes

Aph Ko got tired of hearing that eating vegan was something only white people did. So in 2015, she created a list of 100 black vegans for a website. It included pioneering figures like Dick Gregory and Coretta Scott King and younger, less famous writers, filmmakers, cooks and activists.

“When you say ‘vegan,’ a lot of people tend to only think of PETA, which doesn’t reflect the massive landscape of vegan activism,” said Ms. Ko, 28, a Floridian whose favorite dish at the moment is the spinach pie in “The Vegan Stoner Cookbook.” “The black vegan movement is one of the most diverse, decolonial, complex and creative movements.”

So many other people wanted to be included on the list after it appeared, she started a website, Black Vegans Rock. That spawned a Twitter hashtag (#blackvegansrock) and a T-shirt business. In June, she published ”Aphro-ism: Essays on Pop Culture, Feminism, and Black Veganism from Two Sisters,” a book she wrote with her older sister, Syl Ko.

Vegan cooking and eating are having a renaissance among black Americans, driven in part by movements like Black Lives Matter, documentaries like “What the Health,” and a growing cadre of people who connect personal health, animal welfare and social justice with the fight for racial equality. Athletes like Kyrie Irving of the Boston Celtics and pop stars like the singer Jhené Aiko are bringing a certain pop culture cachet. Cookbook authors and a new breed of vegan soul food restaurants offer culinary muscle.

 

[Spymaster]

What does that have to do with your use of the term “the blacks”?

 

[ddraig]

yeah, still need to sort that post out ps!
come on

 

[8ball]

yeah, still need to sort that post out ps!
come on

Yeah, that was one of the longest lunch breaks in history.

Was thinking of getting a mod to update your status to “Missing, Presumed Fed”.

Chop chop!

 

[PaoloSanchez]

yeah, still need to sort that post out ps!
come on

I had and still have NO INTENTION of changing my post. Deal with it.
It's much ado about fkin nothing. Looks like "the whites" are revolting.
There was nothing remotely racist in that post.
Perhaps there's a bit too much of this going on here...

 

[Spymaster]

Fuck off

 

[ddraig]

well you are a right dick then, sad as fuck

 

[beesonthewhatnow]

I had and still have NO INTENTION of changing my post. Deal with it.
It's much ado about fkin nothing. Looks like "the whites" are revolting.
There was nothing remotely racist in that post.
Perhaps there's a bit too much of this going on here...

You fucking prick.

 

[8ball]

Well, that's made the thread a lot less divisive, I guess...

 

[IC3D]

Here you go everyone can appropriate this and move on

More importantly I'm vegan again after a bout of illness, feel awesome physically and mentally strong, only dropped dairy and fish anyway

 

[8ball]

More importantly I'm vegan again after a bout of illness, feel awesome physically and mentally strong, only dropped dairy and fish anyway

Is that a general vegan pattern? Drop it when you're poorly then get back on it?
Not wanting to draw any causative inferences obviously...

 

[PaoloSanchez]

Here you go everyone can appropriate this and move on

loool..."appropriate" being the appropriate word to describe the nonsense "racism" distraction.
btw...David Haye...vegan. (although you never know how long celebs will stay the course)

More importantly I'm vegan again after a bout of illness, feel awesome physically and mentally strong, only dropped dairy and fish anyway

I'm confused. You were vegan, then stopped, then started again, then dropped dairy and fish from your vegan diet? Or have I got that wrong? Anyway, regardless, enjoy whatever journey you happen to be on.

 

[Spymaster]

Fuck off

 

[PaoloSanchez]

You are missing the elephant in the room, that being that animals can't speak up or stand up for themselves and therefore need us to speak up and stand up for them.

Ah, but you see the thing is, you must remember animals are lesser beings and not as deserving of the right to live as us, the far superior humans are (and that includes the elephant in the room). This means we have given ourselves the right to do with them whatever we wish. Apparently any attempt to elevate the status of animals is demeaning to humans, especially "the IC3's". (that is according to some of the more patronising IC1's).

Of course I don't agree with that and my feelings are more in line with the following...

We do not and should not treat those humans who are impaired as resources for other humans. And if we really believe that animals have morally significant interests, then we ought to apply the principle of equal consideration and not treat them as resources as well. The argument for animal rights does not decrease respect for human life; it increases respect for all life.

 

[mojo pixy]

We do not and should not treat those humans who are impaired as resources for other humans. And if we really believe that animals have morally significant interests, then we ought to apply the principle of equal consideration and not treat them as resources as well. The argument for animal rights does not decrease respect for human life; it increases respect for all life.

Equating "impaired humans" (and wtf are they exactly?) with animals for the purposes of propaganda is extremely dubious.

Sure you'll claim I've missed the point, if so what is your point with that quote?

 

[ddraig]

For all the angry vegans in our lives