Oh hell no!I could not face watching all of it, but is the idea that everyone seeing the video will immediately say "fine, absolutely I shall be completely vegan henceforth as long as you agree to shut up and go away at once, you speaking-Barbie scary plastic woman"?
Well, I'm sorry, and I had no idea dragons were so sensitive, but that woman, wonderful and perfect though she may be, just had me wanting her to shut right up at once. It's the way of things - perhaps 80% of people like a presenter and 20% do not. Can't be helped.plastic?? "Shut up" nice response!
disappointing!
Yeah right, and there was lbj was complaining about being misrepresented. That statement is inaccurate. It's not merely sniffing a steak that causes pause for thought amongst non obligate omnis, it is the mostly hidden events that leading up to it becoming a steak that many find disturbing, when they finally see what goes on "behind closed doors" and when they are exposed to the scale of the cruelty, and it is this that is often the catalyst which causes some people to reconsider and change their ways. Of course there are the defiant ones (savages?) who dig their heels in and make a point of saying that they will never stop eating meat no matter what anybody says, a bit like those crazy NRA gun nuts, those avid bonecrushers may be beyond help, however I believe the momentum is slowly shifting and I have already seen a lot of progress made in the last 30 years.
perfect video for this thread popped up earlier!
*lights touchpaper
So those are the options you present : lacking in self awareness, obstinate or wilfully ignorant.
lol, couldn't stay away huh? I didn't say "lacking in self awareness". Misrepresenting again, eh?
The "why bother with what you eat, you're wasting your time, we're all going to die anyway, might as well enjoy ourselves while we're here" refrain, not heard that one before.
I suspect a robust statistical analysis of associations between coolness and life-preserving common sense would find, at best, a loose correlation.
The "why bother with what you eat, you're wasting your time, we're all going to die anyway, might as well enjoy ourselves while we're here" refrain, not heard that one before.
Lifestyle choices are the biggest contributor to health or lack of health (way above genetics and accidents), and what you eat is the major factor. Somehow a lot of people equate attempts to eat healthily with being boring, "ooh a salad...are you trying to be healthy now", which to this day I've never understood. At the same time stupid things like smoking and drinking alcohol are seen as being cool and sexy, even though they are clearly ridiculous and have so many negatives.
What nonsense is this? If you believe I have misrepresented your position you can easily correct it. Alternatively you can whine about me putting words into your mouth (as if that was possible). Anyway, I don't think I was that far off if at all...
Fine, if you don't believe that what you eat is important then behave accordingly and eat what the hell you like. If others believe that diet as an important part of their health regimen (and I certainly do), then that's their business. Why should you be taking issue with that others believe? Get on with your own shit and leave them alone. You may believe that there isn't any "definitive answer" and that's possibly true because of the amount of variables involved, however the principles are well known even if a lot of people don't follow them. An abundance of fresh, whole, ripe, mostly plant real proper food is a good foundation to build on, and if you disagree with that, good luck to you.
You appear to be jumping all over the place. I personally don't equate 'healthy' food to being boring and don't equate over-packaged, over processed food as real food at all. As I said earlier, fresh unprocessed produce grown in good soil without chemicals is a good base to build on in my opinion.
I don't remember seeing it in this thread but I might have missed it. The "not everyone can afford to by organic food from Wholefoods" malarky.
I've been pregnant and/or breastfeeding for over 3 years now and as a result stopped enjoying drinking and am very close to teetotal (I will very occasionally drink a beer with an ABV as high as 2% if it's good enough to be worth the bother - I do drink very low alcohol <1% beer regularly). I also abstained from cow's dairy for a year of that as my son was cow's milk protein intolerant.
Does teetotal + vegan = no friends? I suppose it's possible. It really depends on your situation and your personality and the personality of your friends. If you have friends that understand what you're about and are ok with it and can happily accommodate you then I think you should be fine.
That's a good point, it doesn't have to be expensive, but it can be for inexperienced people who don't know the ropes, not sure what to eat and so end up buying lots of Linda McCartney sausages and burgers. Not that I'm knocking that type of "food" at all if that's what you're into, however it is easily possible to have an abundance of vegan friendly food without having to break the bank.
I make no apology for believing that veganism is a better lifestyle choice and philosophy, regardless of whether you agree or not, in the same way that I believe that aparthied is bollocks and that racial equality and harmony is a superior philosophy. If racists found that point of view patronising then tough titties. Similarly if bonecrushers find vegan beliefs patronising, that's just too bad.
I never said that meatheads are patronising so I'm not sure why you've just made that up. Meatheads in this thread have been the ones that have more often than not been the hostile and unfriendly ones looking to provoke, mock and sneer or just post distracting diversionary rubbish. I don't mind because I can stick up for myself and the more the meatheads talk the more their arguments (or lack thereof) are exposed to close scrutiny...so keep talking and give us more material to work with.
Another bit of selective vision going on here. From a vegan perspective, I have had meatheads making derogatory remarks and being dismissive of vegans countless times, and yet apparently that never happens. Yeah right. I haven't looked at all the threads in this forum on this subject but I'm willing to bet that most of the flak has been incoming towards the veg*ns. That's ok, I don't mind because I can spit some bars back if required and I am very comfortable with my choices, however it would appear that some of the more thin skinned meatheads can quite happily dish it out but whine and complain when some of it comes back with interest.
First of all, nowhere did I say that meatheads were patronising. Secondly of course for you it's not a question of morals because you are happy with your decision to participate in the kiling and eating of animals when there is absolutely NO NEED TO DO SO. Most vegans find that attitude to be immoral, except apparently we're supposed to keep our mouths shut and not say anything about it. Using racial segregation as an analogy again, I presume that many of those that benefited from racial segregation and thought that there was absolutely nothing morally wrong with it because it's obvious that black people are "lesser" humans and didn't want to hear any of this morality nonsense from silly left wing anti-racists.
Yeah, I put that up as an example of the sorts of things you can buy for not a lot of money from a regular common or garden supermarket, it wasn't intended to be a a step by step guide.
The idea of eating the same thing every day is utterly miserable to me. The joy of food and shared meals with others is one of life's great pleasures.
