Do angry vegans turn you against going vegan?

[gentlegreen]

I wear the same clothes every day too.
like to keep my life simple

 

[gentlegreen]

I grew up in a household where we had bread and jam for tea.

 

[beesonthewhatnow]

I grew up in a household where we had bread and jam for tea.

 

[gentlegreen]

I'm probably something of a supertaster - I've never liked curry and chilli - I like earthy flavours.
I appreciate good wine though and never compromise with tea or coffee.

 

[Spymaster]

In an effort to get my calories down from over 3,000 to my ideal of 2800, and to try this "fasting" thing, I skip breakfast - I suspect in the future I may start the day with green smoothies.

lunch - wholemeal vegan pasty - £1.24
flapjack 99p

onion - 20p ?
Broccoli - 48p
mushrooms £1 - for vitamin D+
red pepper - 48p
two grated carrots - 15p
beans - 50p ? (I actually use DIY sprouted beans)

£5.04 per day ....

soy sauce, tahini, Aldi plum stirfry sauce ...

Dinner at your place sounds unmissable.

 

[ddraig]

gg's not even a vegan ffs
I eat different stuff each day unless well nice and loads left over fwiw

 

[coley]

tbh I didn't particularly like that video, and couldn't watch the whole thing. Her style of presentation did not resonate with me, and I don't like music playing in those kinds of videos I find it irritating. Having said all that, fair plays to her. I mostly agree with the core of the message although am a bit uncomfortable with the whole judging thing. Of course vegans believe that what they are doing is right and some of them are prepared to confront and hold a mirror up to the "wrongdoers". My preference is for a less overtly confrontational style, however if a bonecrusher gets in my face and starts talking bs up in my grill, I reserve the right to defend my position with bare logic.

"Wrongdoers" "bonecrushers" your PoV comes across as balanced and reasonable, until you let the auld hyperbole creep in, just a thought.

 

[coley]

I grew up in a household where we had bread and jam for tea.

You did!!? Jammy bugger, we got sugar n bread, if we were lucky it included Stork margarine, or condensed milk sandwiches, later, as the 'economic situation' improved, Tomato sauce sandwiches!!
But we were lucky, the really poor buggers had to suffer 'echo margarine'

 

[mrs quoad]

gg's not even a vegan ffs

Seriously, I really don't understand the terminology fixation. You can call yourself whatever you like, it's nobody else's business. If you want to call yourself a sealion or whatever, so be it. Some people have nothing better to do.

 

[coley]

Ideally yes, but some folks apparently like that kind of stuff.

Some people haven't learnt to use knives and forks

 

[coley]

I'm not anticipating eating out much when I move to France - even as a seagan (vegan plus fish) - though dairy intolerance is probably fairly widely accepted.

"Seagan, vegan plus fish" ? A vegan that eats fish??

 

[coley]

gg's working out a system that works for him. Doesn't really matter what you call it.

Thats fair comment, but while sympathising with him,you can't claim too be a vegan while acting fish?

 

[coley]

It's simply that I want no part of the dairy and meat industry for a variety of reasons - including moral.
... or for that matter, fish that are hauled out of the sea and allowed to die of asphyxiation - or worse.
I'm a gardener who tries to avoid hurting snails.

The guilt of the late evening 'crunch' know what you mean

 

[coley]

Seriously, I really don't understand the terminology fixation. You can call yourself whatever you like, it's nobody else's business. If you want to call yourself a sealion or whatever, so be it. Some people have nothing better to do.

It's a bit of the old 'moral high ground' competitiveness, I'm convinced some vegans, strict vegetarians types are only doing it in order to sneer at us 'lesser mortals' I like my vegetarian options to be as fuss free as possible, yet ( as mentioned earlier) some sneer because it looks like a burger or in a pie, or comes as a mince substitute.
McCartneys has brought out a 'pulled pork' quorn burger, friggin delish!
Though it's that long since I had pork, much less 'pulled pork' (a few years ago that would never have appeared as 'food item') that I can't comment on an honest comparison, but decidedly tasty.

 

[PaoloSanchez]

I'm not actually having a pop, but I think you do need to be a decent cook to make tasty vegan food (I can do a passable job) . I guess it's what your pallet is used to. I know bacon is always used by meat meat eaters as to why they couldn't give up meat (and vegans must crave) but it's a highly concentrated flavour that requires few cooking skills.

I'm trying to be objective here, however I don't see why it should be any harder to make tasty vegan food than to make tasty any other food, and I don't think you need to be particularly skilled either. I manage to make meals that stuff that people like (at least they say the like it but they could be lying) and I don't claim to be all that in the kitchen. My understanding is that there are multiple ways of duplicating almost any taste or texture. The use of herbs and spices is what gives most cooked food it's flavour. Fruits don't really need anything doing to them if they are ripe and in season, and organic salads, proper tomatoes, lettuce, avocado, spinach, spring onions etc don't really need much assistance, maybe a decent dressing.

I love recipes, but more as a starting point to new ideas for food rather then something to be slavishly followed.

I have recipe books but I don't think I've ever used them. Like you said it's for ideas and they've seen more action on the bookshelf and coffee table than in the kitchen.

Her food looks shit tbf.

How it tastes is probably more important than how it looks, but regardless, taste like music is subjective. Some people think death metal is shit while others think it is the shit. Horses for courses. I haven't tried any of them myself but they looked ok from what I saw. Remembering that the theme of her channel is eating on a budget

 

[UnderOpenSky]

I'm trying to be objective here, however I don't see why it should be any harder to make tasty vegan food than to make tasty any other food, and I don't think you need to be particularly skilled either. I manage to make meals that stuff that people like (at least they say the like it but they could be lying) and I don't claim to be all that in the kitchen. My understanding is that there are multiple ways of duplicating almost any taste or texture. The use of herbs and spices is what gives most cooked food it's flavour. Fruits don't really need anything doing to them if they are ripe and in season, and organic salads, proper tomatoes, lettuce, avocado, spinach, spring onions etc don't really need much assistance, maybe a decent dressing.


I have recipe books but I don't think I've ever used them. Like you said it's for ideas and they've seen more action on the bookshelf and coffee table than in the kitchen.


How it tastes is probably more important than how it looks, but regardless, taste like music is subjective. Some people think death metal is shit while others think it is the shit. Horses for courses. I haven't tried any of them myself but they looked ok from what I saw. Remembering that the theme of her channel is eating on a budget

The use of herbs and spices is what gives veggie food its flavours. It's important in all cooking, but for me, more so here. I used the example of bacon as it's a complete flavour. Steak is also similar. You can cook them and just serve them with something. I'm not trying to be awkward here, just pointing out why meat appeals when you could just veggies. Texture is another intresting one. Some meat is inherently bland and does need flavouring, I'm thinking things like chicken breast, but has texture that is very hard to replicate otherwise. All especially good of course when served with a decent salad made with organic veg.

Her food looked shit, even on a budget. At least your man before used fresh kale, rather then frozen, but there are plenty of budget fresh veg about.

 

[coley]

B12 is easy. Either pick your arse and eat it or nutritional yeast or b12 tabs. Omega 3 is easy. Flaxseed ground. Vitamin D? drops. There's also the iron issue for women (sorted with decent iron tabs). Iodine deficiency can be a problem but a few decent kelp tablets sort that out. There's a debate about long chain fatty acids for vegans. Depending what side you believe - you can take EPA DHA tablets.

Health should be a priority and a vegan diet can be great for that. I'm arguably in my greatest health, eating the most amount of calories and my diet is pretty unhealthy. Beer, chips, crisps, biscuits, chocolate, pizzas, junk food, booze etc.

Before I went vegan I was fat, classed as obese, constantly sick, tired and feeling angry, miserable and like a sack of shit. These days there is a difference. I'm loads happier, less angry but have my moments. I rarely get ill or even feel below par. All this on a pretty unhealthy vegan diet. I can't really get my head around eating fish. All that pollution, mercury etc.

Baked beans, straight out of the tin, with a yarking big glass of NZ Chardonnay, followed by a couple of handfuls of mixed nuts and some tinned fruit, being vegan or vegetarian doesn't have to be 'complicated'

 

[PaoloSanchez]

It's a bit of the old 'moral high ground' competitiveness, I'm convinced some vegans, strict vegetarians types are only doing it in order to sneer at us 'lesser mortals' I like my vegetarian options to be as fuss free as possible, yet ( as mentioned earlier) some sneer because it looks like a burger or in a pie, or comes as a mince substitute.

I have never seen this, and I've been around the block a few times. A bit like the "angry vegans" referred to in the OP, I don't believe that it's a big issue and is likely a gross exaggeration that hardly ever happens. As I said previously, I make no apology for believing that eating food that causes less harm and death is more moral than choosing to eat food which causes more death unnecessarily. I don't feel the need to proselytize, however if I'm asked or challenged I will defend my corner.

Similarly I don't like too much fuss either and will often go out of my way to avoid it in social situations, short of compromising my core beliefs and principles, similar to the way that a jewish or muslim person doesn't eat pork for example. Some "normal" folks would regard anyone making those kinds of dietary preferences to be "fussy eaters".

McCartneys has brought out a 'pulled pork' quorn burger, friggin delish!
Though it's that long since I had pork, much less 'pulled pork' (a few years ago that would never have appeared as 'food item') that I can't comment on an honest comparison, but decidedly tasty.

I think we've moved on quite a bit from the plain old tvp days, and there's all manner of fake imitation animal products and I'm sure I would find some of them really tasty. I tend not to go for that sort of food and keep things quite simple.

 

[coley]

Is this the world's hottest vegan? Student goes from ribby to RIPPED after switching to a plant-based diet (and his acne's gone too)

Thon dog looks seriously worried!

 

[coley]

Why is this even news? I know it's that rag...and it shouldn't be taken seriously. But the facts are that meat is laden with fat, eggs are full of cholesterol and dairy is puss filled fatty minging nonsense. Of course your spots are going to go. Of course you are going to get lean. Eat less saturated fat get shredded.

Bugger, what about my allotment produce, fertilised with horse manure!

 

[coley]

Cow's milk can legally contain up to 400 million pus cells/litre. You are what you eat.

Eh? WTF are you on about?

 

[gentlegreen]

"Seagan, vegan plus fish" ? A vegan that eats fish??

I was 100 % vegan in my 20s and 30s ... after a detour into fish and cheese I've been 100% plant-based for the past couple of years..
My focus over recent times might make me more of a "nutritarian" - with green veggies at the top and everything making up my 3,000 calories has to earn its keep - so I don't even have grains with my main meal - just as many veggies as I can get down my neck.
I wouldn't hesitate to catch and eat fish if I was starving, mammal meat simply isn't food to me after 36 years - simply revolting - like taking up tobacco smoking - ... dairy beyond the pale - not least for health reasons.

As I said earlier, I don't foresee eating fish for several years yet - and plan to be catching them myself so they get treated as well as possible and I don't yet know if I'll actually be able to go through with it ...

 

[coley]

14 anecdotes is definitely data That must be, what? Seventy-five percent of the world's bodybuilders right there :coolthumbs:

Always wondered about those great big tins of 'body building supplements' to be found in most health food shops?

 

[PaoloSanchez]

The use of herbs and spices is what gives veggie food its flavours.

Not necessarily. There are plenty of "veggie foods" that have their own good flavour and don't really need "enhancements". One might need a bit of knowledge and a bit of nous to know where to find flavourful stuff but it's not as difficult as some appear to believe in my opinion, which is why I don't really buy the whole "vegan food is boring and difficult" business. Sure if you're tastebuds are accustomed to certain flavours I suppose it may take some time to adjust and some may find that "taste realignment" a bit of a challenge, but having myself graduated from being a meathead to vegetarian to vegan I can honestly say that there's nothing I miss from my previous life and I don't have any cravings or desire to go back. The only reason I can see myself doing so was if my life was in danger and the only way to prevent my certain and imminent demise was to eat a Maccy D's, in that case I'd be straight to McDonalds, but I can't see that happening tbh. (but you never know)

Her food looked shit, even on a budget. At least your man before used fresh kale, rather then frozen, but there are plenty of budget fresh veg about.

I can't really comment on this too much, I haven't seen all of her videos, but I'm sure I'd find at least one thing that I like amongst them.

 

[coley]

Millions of people must be practically dead and just not know it

C'mon, leave Trump voters and Obamacare repeal out of this

 

[PaoloSanchez]

...being vegan or vegetarian doesn't have to be 'complicated'

Precisely, but for some reason a lot of people seem to believe that it's some kind of massive undertaking. I've found the eating side of it less complicated than so called "normal" food. (when eating at home that is). The challenging bit comes more from interacting with people who either don't understand or are hostile to the idea, but thankfully I have that mostly under control.

 

[coley]

Probably about the same number of vegans who are better disposed to meat eaters after this thread.

No change, they want to continue eating meat at obviously unsustainable rates? Their choice, in fact they have the better chance of survival when armeggedon hits, in the short term, there will be vast amounts of carrion available.

 

[coley]

So, anyone else teetotal?

God (or any unexplained belief) forbid, no

 

[coley]

Not on this thread, but one like it some years ago I stopped making cheap jokes about vegans when I realised it was the meat eaters who were acting in a far more childish way then the vegans. Although that one wasn't started by a vegan I admit.

Despite reading all this thread and many others like it, I don't have any decent reasons to continue to eat meat other then I like the taste and convenience. Which are pretty strong sadly.

Most honest and common sense post on here.

 

[Watermelon Man]

Not on this thread, but one like it some years ago I stopped making cheap jokes about vegans when I realised it was the meat eaters who were acting in a far more childish way then the vegans. Although that one wasn't started by a vegan I admit.

Despite reading all this thread and many others like it, I don't have any decent reasons to continue to eat meat other then I like the taste and convenience. Which are pretty strong sadly.

I missed this with all the meat eating posts about Hitler and that... I said a while back that the only reasons to eat dead animals are taste and to make money for the meat and dairy industry (which comes under programming). The meat and dairy industry spend BILLIONS on programming (or marketing) humans to continue to eat meat. Convenience is a myth. Beans out of a tin? Cooking beans? Tofu? (ok tofu needs some serious dressing up -I admit). It's good that some dead animal eaters like yourself can partly see through the programming.