Do angry vegans turn you against going vegan?

[NoXion]

I know Im repeating myself, but it's (mostly) about the process of slaughter on an industrial scale itself. The smell, the screaming, the blood. The environment is inherently dehumanising and the effects of that brutalising dehumanising environment on those who work there is that abuse of animals is inevitable.

I don't believe that, and this is why:

Animals lives are their right:
Founded in 2016, Surge is a grassroots animal rights organisation determined to create a world where compassion towards all non-human animals is the norm. Our aim is to spread awareness through large-scale campaigns, filmmaking and investigative work. Surge is committed to positive community building, teamwork and the abolition of animal use.

Our vision is a world in which all animals are free from oppression and violence, our vision is therefore of a vegan world. Surge focuses on veganism as we believe that it is through veganism that we'll all collectively end the oppression of non-human animals.

This is from "Our Vision", a statement of aims and purposes by SURGE, the group who made the film. Rather more grand and sweeping than what you're implying. A "vegan world" wouldn't just be a world in which there is no industrial animal slaughter, but rather a world in which there is no animal slaughter at all.

 

[FridgeMagnet]

Abattoirs are massively fucked-up places. Some people might be able to cope with working in them, but that doesn't mean that they aren't fucked up.

 

[bellaozzydog]

An acquaintance of mine tells anyone drinking/buying milk that’s its “rape juice”

I agree with the principles of veganism but you can’t sell it by offending people/making them so uncomfortable and making children cry. It’s not the way to sell it

 

[Saul Goodman]

An acquaintance of mine tells anyone drinking/buying milk that’s its “rape juice”

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

Finally just seen this in a shop in Thailand, something vegans and carnists can appreciate together...

 

[Teaboy]

They've been selling vegetarian crispy duck in the UK for a while now.

Personally I think its a bit dumb calling it that, not that I think anyone is fooled mind. Veg sausages and burgers are fine I reckon because its more about the shape but when a specific animal is mentioned its clearly false labeling. See also veg roast beef etc. I don't know why they just don't label it as veg sunday roast etc.

 

[JimW]

There's a long tradition of Buddhist fake meat feasts, famous restaurant here in Beijing that does whole fake fish with crispy skin etc if that's your thing. Lots of temples have similar.

 

[NoXion]

Those noodle pot things are brilliant by the way, there's a shop near my place that sells a large, extra spicy version and they're excellent as part of a quick and tasty lunch at work.

To bring that rumination back somewhere vaguely relating to the topic at hand, if the ingredients list is any guide then they're suitable for vegan diets as well!

 

[bellaozzydog]

There's a long tradition of Buddhist fake meat feasts, famous restaurant here in Beijing that does whole fake fish with crispy skin etc if that's your thing. Lots of temples have similar.

I’ve been eating fake kebab meat. It’s mega tasty.

Probably as unhealthy as the real stuff as well wins all round.

Probably been asked before but why are there fat vegans? I understand a veggie diet with dairy/eggs can be an issue for healthy eating, I was in a relationship with a veggie for five years and she basically only ate yellow food cheese, chips, omelette, crisps etc

 

[UnderOpenSky]

I’ve been eating fake kebab meat. It’s mega tasty.

Probably as unhealthy as the real stuff as well wins all round.

Probably been asked before but why are there fat vegans? I understand a veggie diet with dairy/eggs can be an issue for healthy eating, I was in a relationship with a veggie for five years and she basically only ate yellow food cheese, chips, omelette, crisps etc

Chips and biscuits can be vegan...

 

[NoXion]

None of the people I've ever known to be vegan were fat. If anything, they tended to be on the skinny side. Not as emaciated as I am, but definitely slim.

I've always put that down to an assumption that for anyone who goes to the trouble of eliminating all animal products from their diet, it generally doesn't take much of a leap for them to watch what they eat in general.

 

[greenfield]

Hilarious isn't it?

 

[Spymaster]

Hilarious isn't it?

Ridiculous, more like.

 

[greenfield]

Ridiculous, more like.

Actually, I think the whole issue, your 'story' about your mate, and also this thread, are rather sad.

 

[IC3D]

Ridiculous, more like.

 

[Spymaster]

Actually, I think the whole issue, your 'story' about your mate, and also this thread, are rather sad.

Not sure which story you mean (I think you're referring to someone else) but sad, to me, is someone who can't think for themselves and has their mind changed by propaganda vids. Noxion has made some good points to you on this thread. You've ignored them. Typical.

 

[gentlegreen]

I'm strictly vegan when it comes to recreational calories.
This Xmas I've been surprised that they've managed to sneak dairy into ALL the supermarket mince pies. /

 

[existentialist]

Hilarious isn't it?

Depends on your sense of humour, I suppose. Hyperbole often is funny.

 

[existentialist]

Actually, I think the whole issue, your 'story' about your mate, and also this thread, are rather sad.

It's all about the perspective. Your desperate attempts to play the disinterested party just happening to have seen a video you're dying to recommend has a certain pathos about it...

 

[greenfield]

Ah so I'm a long-standing militant vegan who sneaked in, lying about having discussions and watching the reality of slaughterhouses, lying about having my mind changed to fool you, did I?

Now that is funny. And ridiculous. I find the rudeness and defensiveness of some posters on this thread just weird tbh.

I used to eat meat until a couple of weeks ago. Now, I'm really glad that I don't. That's all.

 

[greenfield]

Ah so I'm a long-standing militant vegan who sneaked in, lying about having discussions and watching the reality of slaughterhouses, lying about having my mind changed to fool you, did I?

Now that is funny. And ridiculous. I find the rudeness and defensiveness of some posters on this thread just weird tbh.

I used to eat meat until a couple of weeks ago. Now, I'm really glad that I don't. That's all.

ETA: I'm not attacking anyone, or blaming others for their choices. I'm simply saying what has led me to make the choice I have.

 

[existentialist]

Ah so I'm a long-standing militant vegan who sneaked in, lying about having discussions and watching the reality of slaughterhouses, lying about having my mind changed to fool you, did I?

Now that is funny. And ridiculous. I find the rudeness and defensiveness of some posters on this thread just weird tbh.

I used to eat meat until a couple of weeks ago. Now, I'm really glad that I don't. That's all.

Cool story bro. This is becoming a habit.

 

[Spymaster]

ETA: I'm not attacking anyone, or blaming others for their choices. I'm simply saying what has led me to make the choice I have.

It's the urging of other people (who have put as much, if not more, thought into their food choices as you have) to "watch the video", the arrogant assumption that you are better informed, and your support of hyperbole like "rape juice" that's irritated people. Typical of preachy vegans. You'll be calling us carnists soon.

 

[Jeff Robinson]

ETA: I'm not attacking anyone, or blaming others for their choices. I'm simply saying what has led me to make the choice I have.

Best to just ignore these sad sacks of shit greenfield. Good on you for being open-minded and living in accordance with your values.

 

[Spymaster]

Best to just ignore these sad sacks of shit greenfield. Good on you for being open-minded and living in accordance with your values.

Jeff's right greenfield . There are a number of vegan love in threads where you'll be treated far more gently. This thread is not one of them and is actually critical of veganism and its evangelisers.

 

[greenfield]

It's the urging of other people (who have put as much, if not more, thought into their food choices as you have) to "watch the video", the arrogant assumption that you are better informed, and your support of hyperbole like "rape juice" that's irritated people. Typical of preachy vegans. You'll be calling us carnists soon.

I never used the term "rape juice". I never would

 

[Spymaster]

I never used the term "rape juice". I never would

Nobody said you did.

 

[Saul Goodman]

I used to eat meat until a couple of weeks ago.

There's nothing worse than a freshly converted vegan preaching to meat eaters.

 

[8ball]

There's nothing worse than a freshly converted vegan preaching to meat eaters.

I expect they're pretty annoying to other vegans once they've converted back.

 

[mojo pixy]

Probably been asked before but why are there fat vegans?

Nuts and oils are fattening .. more importantly, sugar is vegan