Do angry vegans turn you against going vegan?

[Calamity1971]

existentialist : I was just making a sharp counterpoint in response to 8ball 's, rather than being particularly serious

I think festivaldeb actually wants us to watch this C4 programme tonight, but I'll be starting with a completely open mind before we do, because so far I know a big phat zero about it!

Looks like they are focusing on the extremist side of it.

 

[William of Walworth]

Looks like they are focusing on the extremist side of it.

OK, that'll be fun ... or not

 

[William of Walworth]

I'm not a vegan, have always just been veggie since being brought up as one from birth.

I tend to react, or try to react, to all people (vegans, fellow-veggies and meat-eaters) as I find them. In practice I've always tended to find that far more people in all three categories are fairly laid back about their own and others people's personal life-choices and ethics.

Those being ranting loudmouthed loons about any of it are surely well outnumbered by the sane.

 

[8ball]

Greggs is launching vegan sausage rolls

IT'S AN OUTRAGE!!!

 

[existentialist]

I'm not a vegan, have always just been veggie since being brought up as one from birth.

I tend to react, or try to react, to all people (vegans, fellow-veggies and meat-eaters) as I find them. In practice I've always tended to find that far more people in all three categories are fairly laid back about their own and others people's personal life-choices and ethics.

Those being ranting loudmouthed loons about any of it are surely well outnumbered by the sane.

They may be outnumbered, but they tend to be more visible. As a non-ethical vegetarian, I get fairly tired of being lectured about why I should be vegetarian by people who often eat more meat than I do (the soi-disant "pescatarian", for example), because it's apparently not enough for them that I'm not eating meat - I'm supposed to be not eating it for the right reasons . And there have been more than a handful of the vegan tendency who tend to regard vegetarians somewhat pityingly, a bit like churchgoing Christians do about those who haven't yet been saved by the love of our Lord Jesus Christ.

I have known a few vegans who just quietly get on with it, and for all I know there were a load more whose dietary choices I was utterly ignorant of - which is just as it should be, unless I'm making them dinner

 

[existentialist]

IT'S AN OUTRAGE!!!

TBF, I was a bit disappointed that they'd gone down the Quorn route. There are much nicer ways to de-meat dishes.

 

[8ball]

As a non-ethical vegetarian, I get fairly tired of being lectured about why I should be vegetarian by people who often eat more meat than I do (the soi-disant "pescatarian", for example), because it's apparently not enough for them that I'm not eating meat - I'm supposed to be not eating it for the right reasons .

There's a bit of occasional scuffling among vegans along these lines too.
The "philosophical vegans" don't always make happy bedfellows with the "environmentalists" and/or the "health-conscious" ones.

(Most vegans are in it for a mixture of reasons, obv)

 

[neonwilderness]

Greggs is launching vegan sausage rolls

IT'S AN OUTRAGE!!!

There is quite a lot of outrage on their Facebook post about this

 

[ddraig]

Angry carnists proper kicking off FFS!!

Greggs Launched A Vegan Sausage Roll And Meat Eaters Were Angry, So Greggs Got Sassy - Totally Vegan Buzz

 

[stavros]

C4 programme about veganism on tonight, at 10pm I think.

 

[cupid_stunt]

Angry carnists proper kicking off FFS!!

Greggs Launched A Vegan Sausage Roll And Meat Eaters Were Angry, So Greggs Got Sassy - Totally Vegan Buzz

The bakery chain sells 1.5 million meat sausage rolls a week. The roll comes just in time for the start of Veganuary – with more than 100,000 people signed up to try veganism at the start of 2019.

Veganuary.

 

[8ball]

Angry carnists proper kicking off FFS!!

Greggs Launched A Vegan Sausage Roll And Meat Eaters Were Angry, So Greggs Got Sassy - Totally Vegan Buzz

It looks more like a tiny number of the kind of BTL comments you expect from tinternet.

 

[Jeff Robinson]

Angry carnists proper kicking off FFS!!

Greggs Launched A Vegan Sausage Roll And Meat Eaters Were Angry, So Greggs Got Sassy - Totally Vegan Buzz

 

[bellaozzydog]

Did anyone watch channel 4 dispatches tonight

“The truth about vegans”

Absolute fucking hatchet job. I genuinely wonder who pitched it and I who paid for it. NUF and country alliance looking at the slant of it.

Vegans = bonkers, antisemetic, psycho, terrorists
Farmers= honest hard working folks who love their livestock

 

[beesonthewhatnow]

Angry carnists proper kicking off FFS!!

Greggs Launched A Vegan Sausage Roll And Meat Eaters Were Angry, So Greggs Got Sassy - Totally Vegan Buzz

If that’s your idea of “proper kicking off” come down my local, The Red Lion, with me on a Friday night, it’ll blow your mind...

 

[William of Walworth]

Did anyone watch channel 4 dispatches tonight

“The truth about vegans”

Absolute fucking hatchet job. I genuinely wonder who pitched it and I who paid for it. NUF and country alliance looking at the slant of it.

Vegans = bonkers, antisemetic, psycho, terrorists
Farmers= honest hard working folks who love their livestock

We never watched this in the end, and by the look of the above, I'm pretty glad we didn't

Turned out that festivaldeb's plan was to watch an altogether different (BBC) programme on last night callled Dirty Vegan, a cookery programme which was much more positive apparantly.
Didn't watch it myself, I was still out , but it looks as if this mini-series could be fun

 

[8ball]

Did anyone watch channel 4 dispatches tonight

“The truth about vegans”

Absolute fucking hatchet job. I genuinely wonder who pitched it and I who paid for it. NUF and country alliance looking at the slant of it.

Vegans = bonkers, antisemetic, psycho, terrorists
Farmers= honest hard working folks who love their livestock

 

[Mr Retro]

We never watched this in the end, and by the look of the above, I'm pretty glad we didn't

Neither did we. I suspected it would be something like it was and then saw a twitter clip of the vegan lady at a sheep farm so knew it wouldn't be balanced.

Pity, there are a lot of people chancing "Veganuary" atm and something more honest should have been the way for C4 to approach it. I understand the veganuary thing is irritating in the extreme for some people but if you are hoping for more people to become Vegan and Vegetarian who cares what way they get into it?

 

[8ball]

Neither did we. I suspected it would be something like it was and then saw a twitter clip of the vegan lady at a sheep farm so knew it wouldn't be balanced.

I hope you've written a stiffly worded letter to C4.

 

[Mr Retro]

I hope you've written a stiffly worded letter to C4.

I suspect that’s more your kind of thing?

 

[8ball]

I suspect that’s more your kind of thing?

I might actually watch something first before cracking open the green ink, myself.

 

[Jeff Robinson]

If that’s your idea of “proper kicking off” come down my local, The Red Lion, with me on a Friday night, it’ll blow your mind...

The Red Lion? I know of it, a pub for sissy boys apparently. You should come down my local, The Pitbull and Knuckle Duster, to see what a real boozer for real men looks like.

 

[8ball]

The Red Lion? I know of it, a pub for sissy boys apparently. You should come down my local, The Pitbull and Knuckle Duster, to see what a real boozer for real men looks like.

A mate of mine got done over with a spiraliser down there once - they had to pack the wound with quinoa til the ambulance arrived.

 

[Kaka Tim]

Is Gregg's new policy of force feeding vegan sausage rolls to its customers a step too far? Im undecided. As long as they are not halal - that would be a bit too much even for a liberal metropolitan elite snowflake feminazi commie like myself.

 

[Kaka Tim]

re: the channel 4 dispatches thing - just a wild shot in the dark here - but are any of the living marxism/Institute of Ideas cultists involved in the making of this?

 

[andysays]

Is Gregg's new policy of force feeding vegan sausage rolls to its customers a step too far? Im undecided. As long as they are not halal - that would be a bit too much even for a liberal metropolitan elite snowflake feminazi commie like myself.

I heard they were lacing them with heroin and then feeding them to school kids to make them addicted to veganism

 

[Jeff Robinson]

re: the channel 4 dispatches thing - just a wild shot in the dark here - but are any of the living marxism/Institute of Ideas cultists involved in the making of this?

tbf the documentary was actually a mixed bag. It was not anti-vegan or anti-veganism, in fact the presenter is doing veganuary and had positive things to say about the rise of veganism. On the other hand it was critical of some of the rhetoric and tactics deployed by animal rights groups, including trespass and saving/stealing animals from factory farms. This was rather weak and sensationalist tbh and didn't really land any good punches. Also featured some desperate attempts to make the owner of a hellish looking factory farm look like the good guy who'd been stitched up for purely ideological reasons.

It's hard to know whether the effect of the documentary will be to shift public opinion more in favour or against veganism, I suspect it will have very little effect either way.

 

[Kaka Tim]

tbf the documentary was actually a mixed bag. It was not anti-vegan or anti-veganism, in fact the presenter is doing veganuary and had positive things to say about the rise of veganism. On the other hand it was critical of some of the rhetoric and tactics deployed by animal rights groups, including trespass and saving/stealing animals from factory farms. This was rather weak and sensationalist tbh and didn't really land any good punches. Also featured some desperate attempts to make the owner of a hellish looking factory farm look like the good guy who'd been stitched up for purely ideological reasons.

It's hard to know whether the effect of the documentary will be to shift public opinion more in favour or against veganism, I suspect it will have very little effect either way.

smear by association though? calling it "the truth about vegans" and then concentrating on the more batshit end of the animal rights movement. Its like calling it "the truth about people who exercise" and going on about royd rage.

 

[Jeff Robinson]

smear by association though? calling it "the truth about vegans" and then concentrating on the more batshit end of the animal rights movement. Its like calling it "the truth about people who exercise" and going on about royd rage.

True, it seems like 'clickbait' has basically infected every aspect of the media now.

 

[Red Sky]

Did anyone watch channel 4 dispatches tonight

“The truth about vegans”

Absolute fucking hatchet job. I genuinely wonder who pitched it and I who paid for it. NUF and country alliance looking at the slant of it.

Vegans = bonkers, antisemetic, psycho, terrorists
Farmers= honest hard working folks who love their livestock

Must have been a bit of damp squib. Militant veganism these days is about slagging people off on TripAdvisor rather than setting fire to stuff and grave robbery.