Do angry vegans turn you against going vegan?
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gentlegreen
I hummus, therefore I am ...
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gentlegreen
I hummus, therefore I am ...
It was a middle of the night posting from a French publication which I didn't read properly so I assumed these were continued protests in France and a case of the French taking their protests more seriously as usual.
Des vegans forment une chaîne humaine pour empêcher les gens d’acheter de la dinde pour Noël
But of course it was Brighton - and Waitrose (at least they were targetting the middle classes ... )
Vegans asked to leave Waitrose store after Christmas turkey protest
Des vegans forment une chaîne humaine pour empêcher les gens d’acheter de la dinde pour Noël
But of course it was Brighton - and Waitrose (at least they were targetting the middle classes ... )
Vegans asked to leave Waitrose store after Christmas turkey protest
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
They are the middle class!
Gotta like the other shoppers ignoring them and just getting on wirh buying their meat.
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
Urgh, what’s that green stuff???
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
Should I have used a trigger friendly *spoiler*?
Artaxerxes
Look out, he's got a gnu!
What's the context here? Anniversary of Leningrad?
Mordi
Amoral adventurist
A bit like the centenary of the first world war you can pick any given day to commemorate something from a siege that lasted over two years.
ddraig
kicking against the pricks...
Saul Goodman
It's all good, man
That's fucking outrageous! It's into, not in to.
greenfield
Former lurker
The other week I went to my local Labour party Xmas social and got into a "debate" with a vegan lady during which I thought I would be really clever and take the piss. I thought I was being really original with my "Hitler was a vegetarian", "what about B12" stuff but of course she'd heard it all before.
She was patient enough to actually treat me more seriously than I merited. In the end I promised to watch Land of Hope and Glory, a documentary showing what goes on in British farms and slaughterhouses. I'd seen stuff like that before, bit I'd been able to dismiss it as American, thinking standards were bound to be much higher over here.
Once I'd seen it I realised that if I carried on eating animals, then it would mean something was wrong with me. Once you see the Matrix you can't unsee it.
I've been Vegan ever since. I'm finally living my long-held values and morals. Eating with empathy.
She was patient enough to actually treat me more seriously than I merited. In the end I promised to watch Land of Hope and Glory, a documentary showing what goes on in British farms and slaughterhouses. I'd seen stuff like that before, bit I'd been able to dismiss it as American, thinking standards were bound to be much higher over here.
Once I'd seen it I realised that if I carried on eating animals, then it would mean something was wrong with me. Once you see the Matrix you can't unsee it.
I've been Vegan ever since. I'm finally living my long-held values and morals. Eating with empathy.
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NoXion
Craicy the Squirrel
Cool story bro
greenfield
Former lurker
Watch the documentary
ddraig
kicking against the pricks...
you sadly won't get much sense from majority of posters here just digs, abuse and "bantz"
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
Thing is, most of the vegans who regularly post on here are proselytising dickheads with chunky chips on their shoulders, so nobody pays any attention.
NoXion
Craicy the Squirrel
No thanks. I'm not really into consuming propaganda from a group with an obvious ideological axe to grind.
But here's the thing; I can grant that everything in that film is true, and it still wouldn't be a convincing argument for veganism. No more than the fact that poor people in developing countries are being hideously exploited to mine rare earth minerals or assemble electronics, is a valid reason to stop using my desktop PC.
It does sound like a very convincing argument for better standards, or perhaps the better enforcement of current standards, with regards to animal slaughter in the UK. I'm sure government spending cuts for bodies like the Food Standards Agency and similar bodies have done nothing to improve matters.
greenfield
Former lurker
You really should watch it.
ETA: It's not about poor welfare standards as such, although cheap, industrial-produced meat cannot by definition come from animals that have had any quality of life at all. It's about the process of slaughter where all animals, free-range, organic or factory-farmed, end up
ETA: It's not about poor welfare standards as such, although cheap, industrial-produced meat cannot by definition come from animals that have had any quality of life at all. It's about the process of slaughter where all animals, free-range, organic or factory-farmed, end up
existentialist
Tired and unemotional
Easy enough - and I'm not even a vegan. Or a sab. That pub goes on my shit list. If they want to be that picky about their punters, I'm only too happy to return the compliment.
ETA: I notice from the article that an employee has been suspended in connection with the sign. Good.
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Saul Goodman
It's all good, man
Will it make tofu taste like a well seared sirloin?
NoXion
Craicy the Squirrel
I wasn't just talking about standards of welfare, although those are of course important. I was talking about standards in general.
The process of slaughter results in dead animals. Nobody who has any inkling of how meat is produced thinks otherwise.
Now, I don't have a problem with the general idea of killing animals for the purposes of feeding humans. But militant vegans do. This is why even if this country were to have higher standards as well as decent enforcement of those standards, that wouldn't be good enough for the militant vegans. Even if every animal that ends up on someone's plate lived a life of luxury from its day of birth to moment it dies, "meat is murder", and people who murder others don't get let off for cosseting their victims first, do they? Militant vegans take it as axiomatic that exploiting animals for any purpose is inherently evil (even for cases which are mutually beneficial, such as beekeeping), and so in their eyes any talk of improving standards is skirting around the central issue, as they perceive it.
If militant vegans are using recorded incidents of animal abuse by slaughterhouse workers as an argument against meat eating in general, then they are engaging in a rhetorical sleight of hand.
8ball
Decolonise colons!
Though being fair, it still works as an argument against eating meat with the way things currently are.
NoXion
Craicy the Squirrel
I reckon I'd have a hard time finding any non-essential services or consumer goods that don't have any ethical problems involved in their production or implementation. What makes meat so special?
greenfield
Former lurker
I know Im repeating myself, but it's (mostly) about the process of slaughter on an industrial scale itself. The smell, the screaming, the blood. The environment is inherently dehumanising and the effects of that brutalising dehumanising environment on those who work there is that abuse of animals is inevitable.
Saul Goodman
It's all good, man
My mate worked at an abattoir for over 30 years. He was never involved in any scenes from Scarface, and he hasn't hacked his family to pieces with a spoon... yet.
greenfield
Former lurker
Not what I was saying though, was it?
Saul Goodman
It's all good, man
Yes.
You invented a post hoc fallacy, stating that the killing of animals inevitably turns their killers into monsters. My mate isn't a monster, neither were any of his mates that I'd met. They just went to work and did their job, like most other people.
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