"Did two hired assassins snatch weapons inspector David Kelly?"

[Jazzz]

Did two hired assassins snatch weapons inspector David Kelly?


by Norman Baker

Daily Mail


While investigating the death of Dr David Kelly I have made many strange discoveries, not least some disturbing parallels with the case of a young American journalist named Danny Casolaro.

Mr Casolaro made himself deeply unpopular with elements in the murky world of U.S. defence by probing too deeply into their activities.

One morning in August 1991, he was found dead in a hotel room near Harpers Ferry in Virginia. He was in the bath, naked, with his wrist slashed.

There were no signs of bruising or other marks on the body and the police concluded that he had committed suicide.

But this was totally false according to Dr Christopher Green, who was the CIA's chief forensic pathologist for decades.

Dr Green participated in Casolaro's autopsy and last year he told veteran White House reporter Sterling Seagrave that the young journalist had been killed before being stripped, put in a full bath, and his left wrist cut in precisely the same manner as Dr Kelly's.

And as with Dr Kelly, there was remarkably little blood, bar a small amount smeared on the edge of the tub, suggesting that the wrist wound had been inflicted after the heart had stopped pumping.

This compelling demonstration of how effectively a murder can be disguised as suicide drove me on in my search for the truth about Dr Kelly, who was found dead in an Oxfordshire wood on July 18, 2003, having apparently taken his own life.

Before Danny Casolaro died, the journalist had been investigating the activities of America's private security companies which, according to Sterling Seagrave, are linked to the 'Grey Ghosts' - an army of professional killers commissioned by the Pentagon to carry out assassinations.

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[Donna Ferentes]

No.

 

[bluestreak]

Is there any real evidence involved, or are we still working on theories?

 

[Donna Ferentes]

Conjectures, surely?

 

[tarannau]

Using the Daily Mail as a credible source eh. Wasn't this the same paper that presented the Bible Code as fact and keeps wiffling on about Diana's death and the lost city of Atlantis.

That's desperate Jazzzzzzzz

 

[bluestreak]

Conjectures, surely?

Good point, well made.

Of course, they could have done. It could have been an unfortunate rambling accident. I personally harbour a suspicion that a big kid did it and ran away. Sadly without any evidence either way we are forced to accept the official line and hope that someone with find some real evidence so we do not have to listen to conjectures.

 

[fela fan]

Sadly without any evidence either way we are forced to accept the official line and hope that someone with find some real evidence so we do not have to listen to conjectures.

Now you just realise you're speaking for yourself here. No evidence does NOT mean being forced to accept the official line. Good lord, what the fuck has got into you man?

The official line in just about anything is the very place to start with that tells us what did NOT happen.

You must be a paid-up state employee.

 

[fela fan]

Using the Daily Mail as a credible source eh. Wasn't this the same paper that presented the Bible Code as fact and keeps wiffling on about Diana's death and the lost city of Atlantis.

That's desperate Jazzzzzzzz

Your own brand of desperation is displayed most transparently by deciding automatically that anything from a certain source is to be simply judged wrong.

And in any case, you're talking about the second most read paper in britain. Are you dismissing such a huge amount of normal folk in the country, just because they read a certain paper?

Are you suggesting that any of the other papers are any much better?

 

[butchersapron]

Go to bed fela

1) The official line in just about anything is the very place to start with that tells us what did NOT happen.
2) Your own brand of desperation is displayed most transparently by deciding automatically that anything from a certain source is to be simply judged wrong.

 

[tarannau]

Nope, but before you make even more of an idiot out of yourself, I would point out that this appeared in the centre pages of The Mall, exactly the same place as the "Bible Code is real, honest' and the "Atlantis is buried here' gossip pieces.

It's an extract from a book, printed in the paper, not a factual or opinion piece from the paper. It's like the equivalent of the happy story on News at 10, similar to the uplifting tale of the Panda with a stiffy.

 

[FridgeMagnet]

fela on the Mail (when it is not publishing articles by loons with books out):

Good post greenman, and i have to say the mail is insidious. It's a really disgusting newspaper, although others are not far behind, and the fact that it exists in britain, never mind being one of the most popular is, i'm afraid, a poor reflection on our country.

Folk aren't asleep hypnotised by the telly, they've just been brainwashed by the likes of the sun and the mirror and the mail down the years (drip drip effect) that killers are out there stalking our every move.

But why are the daily mail doing this? Just because they want to, or because they're pandering to their readers' perceived needs regarding their daily diet of newspaper crap?

etc etc etc etc

 

[tarannau]

Fela just loves being an inconsistent, pontificating hypocrite doesn't he.

What a numpty.

 

[bluestreak]

Now you just realise you're speaking for yourself here. No evidence does NOT mean being forced to accept the official line. Good lord, what the fuck has got into you man?

The official line in just about anything is the very place to start with that tells us what did NOT happen.

You must be a paid-up state employee.

After all these years I'm finally rumbled.

No fela, I don't automatically accept the official line. I am, unfortunately, persistently attached to the notion of awaiting evidence before forming a final opinion, and sadly the only evidence, although decidedly sketchy, points to the good Doctor falling on his sword. If Mr Baker has any new evidence I'd love to hear it, but if he's just trotting out a series of half-baked theorums that cannot even be tested, then I don't think it makes me a Fifth Columnist to not immediately show my appreciation by offering him to divest my daughter of her virginity.

You do realise that Norman Baker is an MP, right? A Liberal Democrat MP. A man riding First Class on the gravy train with a ticket paid for out of my taxes?

 

[chilango]

...hang on...

Daily Mail exposes the evil secret state?

am i missing something here?

 

[fela fan]

fela on the Mail (when it is not publishing articles by loons with books out):



etc etc etc etc

Perhaps i should be flattered that you have so much research material on me.

And in this post you display the old british value of no compromise, no change, no flexibility, no change of mind allowed, no chance of falling in between black and white.

The mail is shite, but even shit can come up with perfume sometimes. And vice versa.

 

[butchersapron]

Where has this 'two hired assassins' stuff come from?

 

[tarannau]

And in this post you display the old british value of no compromise, no change, no flexiblitity, no change of mind allowed, no chance of falling in bet

No he doesn't Fela. He just implies that you're a laughable hypocrite without a consistent, reasoned bone in your body. And he's absolutely on the money.

 

[fela fan]

Go to bed fela

1) The official line in just about anything is the very place to start with that tells us what did NOT happen.

Not quite time yet.

And, yes, totally agreed.

 

[butchersapron]

Another ghastly suggestion came to me from someone who signed themselves only as 'Nemesis'. Their letter alleged that he or she had been told by a 'member of the non-English diplomatic corps' that air had been introduced into Dr Kelly's bloodstream through a needle in a vein.

Read the link - it's a load of mad people telling the cash hungry Baker how they think kelly might have been killed.

 

[Citizen66]

Nope, but before you make even more of an idiot out of yourself, I would point out that this appeared in the centre pages of The Mall

Actually, the centre pages of the mail is exclusively dominated by sudoku and other puzzles so I don't know what planet you're on

If you turn the page you get horoscopes so perhaps that may be of some help to you

 

[butchersapron]

Not quite time yet.

And, yes, totally agreed.

So you agree with

1) The official line in just about anything is the very place to start with that tells us what did NOT happen.

But not

2) Your own brand of desperation is displayed most transparently by deciding automatically that anything from a certain source is to be simply judged wrong.

Despite posting them mere minutes apart?

 

[butchersapron]

The mail is shite, but even shit can come up with perfume sometimes. And vice versa.

Are you still single fela?

 

[Firky]

No but I do think he was pushed to his death.

 

[fela fan]

After all these years I'm finally rumbled.

No fela, I don't automatically accept the official line. I am, unfortunately, persistently attached to the notion of awaiting evidence before forming a final opinion, and sadly the only evidence, although decidedly sketchy, points to the good Doctor falling on his sword.

So, when you get evidence, that allows you to form an opinion eh? Surely evidence is proof is objective stuff is unarguable? How can you have an opinion about evidence? Do you have an opinion about the earth being round, and gravity speeding on at 9.8m/sec?? And what's your opinion about the sun being hot?

 

[butchersapron]

How can you have an opinion about evidence?

Eh? what on earth do you think evidence is? What do you imagine it to be?

 

[fela fan]

Are you still single fela?

Are you?

And what has this question got to do with the thread topic?

 

[fela fan]

Eh? what on earth do you think evidence is? What do you imagine it to be?

Tell you what, go check a dictionary instead of dealing with some poster's dreams.

 

[Citizen66]

Are you?

No he isn't which is obviously why he feels the need to lord it over you.

 

[butchersapron]

Well you two are both very quick on the uptake today. Oh no a jpoke about fela thinkiing shit makes a good perfume. Oh no. How domineering.

 

[butchersapron]

No but I do think he was pushed to his death.

And cut his wrists on the brambles on the way down?