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pk said:
Hmmmm...so can we have a non-conspiracy, legitimate 9/11 questions thread? And if we can, how do keep the pests down, is there a spray we can use to keep the nutters away?
Did Rumsfield and Chums want and allow 9/11 to happen? The Poll!
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Hmmmm...so can we have a non-conspiracy, legitimate 9/11 questions thread? And if we can, how do keep the pests down, is there a spray we can use to keep the nutters away?
goldenecitrone
post tenebras lux
You can borrow my can of 'They're coming to get you...' spray if you want.
pk
drink flounce rinse repeat
I'd say if people want to persue daft claims of holograms and underground bombs times perfectly to detonate just as the planes hit... then the fruitloop forums are thataway --------------->
I'd be up for a sensible debate on 9/11 as long as the idiots like CaroleK and Bigfish were somehow kept out of it.
I'd be up for a sensible debate on 9/11 as long as the idiots like CaroleK and Bigfish were somehow kept out of it.
GarfieldLeChat
fucking awesome but wrong
editor said:
it appears it aready ahas by at least one of them any way
editor
hiraethified
So you haven't noticed the immense global changes that have occured post-9/11, spotted any increased anti-Americanism in the Middle East or detected the slightest hint of increased friction between the US and their Saudi chums?Citizen66 said:
How's your bulleton boards doing by the way? Are they reflecting all the interest for the topic you claim exists?
editor said:
[Editor mode] It's spelt 'bulletin'
[/Editor mode]What 'interest' have I claimed exists? which post?
I set them up because you incessantly suggested that someone should do so. So purlease don't start relentlessly rattling on about whether they are popular or not after not even being online a week. It took a fair bit longer for Urban to become popular as has already been mentioned in an earlier post
I still think that USG gained far more out of 9/11 than OBL has. He still has his liberty though... strangely enough.
Jo/Joe said:
Well, this was true of the IRA who had clearly defined objectives. What I would like to know is, what are OBL's objectives and what did he achieve other than destabalising the middle east (which is always pretty shaky anyway) in the aftermath of 9/11 towards meeting his objectives?
The USG got their 'new pearl harbour' and the backing of the American people to declare war on Afghanistan.
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hiraethified
Yes. You're repeating yourself yet again.Citizen66 said:
But if you're going to keep trotting out this dull piece of information, you should be aware that I had a damn sight more than three people posting after a week of my first boards being online - and I didn't have the benefit of a handy ultra-busy bulletin board to promote it on!
And, of course, there were far, far fewer people online in 1997.
Why do you think so few people are interested in joining your boards? Could it be a lack of interest in the topic, perhaps?
OBL's objectives are clear and free for anyone to read on the internet. What did he achieve with 911 (just pretend he did it)? The american nation now knows what fear is. One or two more big attacks and who knows how gung ho they will want their govt to be. No single terrorist atack ever has the realistic objective of achieving their ultimate aim. They are part of a campaign as you know.
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hiraethified
Oh. Destabalising an entire region, rattling the world's sole superpower, destroying two of the US's tallest buildings, murdering thousands of Americans in the heart of New York, spreading worldwide terror and causing global economic chaos doesn't count for much in your world then?Citizen66 said:
bouncer_the_dog
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Apparently Goebels had a special underground basement where crack Aerrian SS troops were summoned and thier heads were cut off to be used on a large satanic weedjee board. I would have thought that it is very likley that Rumsfeld also has one, where he uses the brains of Special Forces Delta Navy Seals to conduct similar operations while under the contrl of extra dimensional forces. It is probable that it was during one such event that he personally remote controlled the airplanes on a common PC or PS2 via plug-in auto pilot devices, not dissimilar to a black i-pod but with a flashing red light on,that had been connected to the cockpits of the airplanes by Alqueda operatives unaware of the true origin of the technology they were using. This is the most obvious explaination to the events, however I think it will be a long, long time before the official documents are released to the public.
editor said:
Apart from the destabalising bit they aren't objectives. The IRA's objective was for a united Ireland. For the British to pull out of NI. The fact that they placed bombs in bins was a consequence of their method of warfare, but wasn't part of their ultimate objective.
What are OBL's objectives? (Not the visible consequences of the actual attack) Why is he at war with the US? What does he aim to achieve?
bouncer_the_dog
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Citizen66 said:
His named objectives of Al Queda are to otherthrow the Saudi government until all foriegners are removed from thier lands. Given the close relation between his family, the Saudis and the Americans doesnt the WTC look like a likely target? In many ways Bush has done him a masiive favour by invading Iraq and getting rid of the only secular leader in the area. The Iranians are quite pleased about it too. Its the Saudis who are crapping themselves. But because he used US/UK trained Mujahadeen (sp) to further his plans in Afghanistan OBL played right into Bush and Rumsfelds' commanders hands.
Therfore OBLs objectives are to create a hardcore islamic anti western superpower state in the Arbic regions and control the oil. This will stretch from Afghanistan through Iran, Iraq and Saudi Arabia. Bush and the Neo-Cons objective is to spread Democracy and therefore the American imperialist economic model throughout the same region and therefore 'save' the people of it. Who has a better chance of achieving thier objective in your opinion?
Jo/Joe said:
But, lets say for a minute that the USG did allow it to happen. They have plainly reached objectives through their 'war on terror'. They now have a pipeline running through Afghanistan and are occupying oil-rich Iraq. What has OBL achieved towards his objectives? He's less likely going to overthrow the Saudi Kingdom with the yanks now living next door than he was before.
On a side note; the poll results are coming along quite evenly, wouldn't you say? especially as there's no less than 3 negative options to the original question. Just in-case the one option wasn't enough, like.
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hiraethified
Good grief. How can anyone hold any store by such a vaguely worded poll where over 12% have voted for "more lizards please" and the "quite possibly" is one of the options?!!Citizen66 said:
PS Historically, in the post Cold War era, where has America felt the need to bomb the fuck out of its own cities and mass slaughter its own citizens in highly complex covert operations to justify invasions/bombings of smaller countries?
Your question was what are OBL's aims. As I said, any terrorist act is part of a campaign. I doubt that al-q have a bullet pointed business plan which predicts when and upon what their aims will be achieved. OBL wants the US out of the holy land. Using limited means he has successfully demonstrated that he means business and is capable of striking anyone.
American oilmen were negotiating with the taliban anyway. The US had options. It's absurd to suggest they needed to murder thousands of their own.
How do you interpret Bush's reaction at the school when he was told of the attacks? How do you read his body language?
American oilmen were negotiating with the taliban anyway. The US had options. It's absurd to suggest they needed to murder thousands of their own.
How do you interpret Bush's reaction at the school when he was told of the attacks? How do you read his body language?
Citizen66 said:
OBL is one, an important one, it's true, of a series of fundamentalist Muslim leaders who imagine that it could be possible to create the world anew, in their own image. This is an objective which permits a large degree of making up targets as one goes along.
Martin Luther, Calvin, John Knox, and a lot of other fanatics, tried it in the past, but the lessons never seem to be learned.
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