British IS schoolgirl 'wants to return home'

[maomao]

despite affecting a wide vocabulary you have a miniscule and dull repertoire of insults which don't improve through repetition.

I don't waste good abuse on pointless twats.

 

[Spymaster]

Priceless isn't it?

 

[ElizabethofYork]

The first question I have to ask is what's with all the journalists going out there to interview her? iI thought it was supposed to be a dangerous warzone but they seem to be acting like they're on a day trip to Margate which makes me doubt Javid's it's too dangerous to risk lives spiel.

Whilst I am always a sucker when it comes to the trials and tribulations of true love, Not well I would imagine, I know several men who have foreign spouses, all of them jumped through many overly complicated hoops to get their wives here taking better than 2 years in one case and that's not citizenship that's permission to live here before they can apply for citizenship.
I daresay getting a foreign wife into Holland isn't any easier and that's before the fact that all the guys I know were fine upstanding citizens and not failed jihadi.
That reads to me like something she thought up on the spur of the moment and has no idea of the obstacles she faces. She clearly doesn't fully understand the gravity of her situation or the complexity of the law.Javid knows that this girl has few people rooting for her to come here and is making political capital out of the situation. Have I mentioned I think he's a twat?
I think he will lose on appeal and hope he does, not for her sake but because it sets a legal precedent no civilized society should ever accept.

Agree totally with this, Javid has got whatever benefit he can out of this now by saying he is taking her citizenship, even if he loses the case 2 or 3 years from now it will personally cost him nothing.

She's been well and truly stitched up, by her own stupidity, the spitefulness of the British press, and the cuntitude of the Home Sec. If she'd kept her head down and said nothing, she would have been forgotten about pretty quickly and probably able to sneak back home when no-one was looking.

 

[Spymaster]

She's been well and truly stitched up, by her own stupidity, the spitefulness of the British press, and the cuntitude of the Home Sec. If she'd kept her head down and said nothing, she would have been forgotten about pretty quickly and probably able to sneak back home when no-one was looking.

She could probably have just about managed that if she'd just said "I fucked right up, I was brainwashed by propaganda, ISIS are evil, I'm sorry".

"I've no regrets" and "severed heads don't faze me" however, don't quite cut the mustard when you're trying to convince people that you pose no threat.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

Agree totally with this, Javid has got whatever benefit he can out of this now by saying he is taking her citizenship, even if he loses the case 2 or 3 years from now it will personally cost him nothing.

It will cost us though, the inevitable appeals through to supreme courts will no doubt cost at least 6, more likely 7 figures of public cash. Take the money of Javid and his oversized bonce.

 

[hash tag]

She could probably have just about managed that if she'd just said "I fucked right up, I was brainwashed by propaganda, ISIS are evil, I'm sorry".

"I've no regrets" and "severed heads don't faze me" however, don't quite cut the mustard when you're trying to convince people that you pose no threat.

We all react to and cope with stressful situations in different ways; anger, guilt, sorrow....pretend they didn't happen etc.

 

[Pickman's model]

I don't waste good abuse on pointless twats.

You don't have any good abuse

All you have is a load of effing and blinding which would shame a 16 year auld

 

[The39thStep]

We all react to and cope with stressful situations in different ways; anger, guilt, sorrow....pretend they didn't happen etc.

 

[Pickman's model]

Poor auld Saul

 

[Teaboy]

She seems be being interviewed on a daily basis by all press outfits giving immediate response to everything that is happening. Its a really weird and fucked situation. She's also sounding increasingly coached in some of the language she uses, whether that is by the press I don't know. Didn't she give birth a day or so ago? The press are making a fucked situation way more fucked, leave her be with her child.

 

[The39thStep]

She's been well and truly stitched up, by her own stupidity, the spitefulness of the British press, and the cuntitude of the Home Sec. If she'd kept her head down and said nothing, she would have been forgotten about pretty quickly and probably able to sneak back home when no-one was looking.

Lets not forget her Cage supporting solicitor

 

[Spymaster]

We all react to and cope with stressful situations in different ways; anger, guilt, sorrow....

... saying it's ok to behead people, keep slaves, bomb teen concerts ...

Just a coping mechanism. Poor girl.

 

[hash tag]

Did she say it's OK to behead people? I thought she said she wasn't phased by seeing heads in bins or such like.
Not forgetting she was groomed (brainwashed) at a young, influential age.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Did she say it's OK to behead people? .

Yes she did. 'Islamically allowed' was her exact phrase. I partially agree with Teaboy here. Initially, it must have seemed a bit of luck to be found by a tv crew and able to publicise her case. Now she has become the public face and symbol of a whole wider debate and she may well be fucked for it. Not so sure about 'leave her alone to be with her child', though, tbh, given that if she does get her wish and comes back here, she will be arrested and her baby will be taken away from her. We can't doubt that.

One thing she said that interested me and I would have thought ought to have the authorities in the UK wanting to speak to her was when she said that she became religious shortly before she left. I would want to know exactly how and under whose influence that happened. Another part of the wider story here has to be working out how the process of radicalisation has been working.

 

[The39thStep]

Some of that process is fairly well documented already . In this case a huge influence was a group of women ISIS supporters al-Khansaa Brigade. Aqsa Mahmood from Scotland was/is a big influence in recruiting other women. Heres a few tips from her :

Leaving your family
The first phone call you make once you cross the border is one of the most difficult things you will ever have to do. Your parents are already worried enough over where you are, whether you are okay and what’s happened. How does a parent who has little Islamic knowledge and understanding comprehend why their son or daughter has left their well-off life, education and a bright future behind to go live in a war-torn country? Most likely they will blame themselves, they will think they have done something. But until they truly understand from the bottom of their heart that you have done this action sincerely for Allah’s sake they will live in hope that you will return.

Covering up
The biggest mistake I made was not bringing enough jilbabs and niqabs because I presumed I may be able to find Islamic clothing here but honestly that is next to impossible. (Not to mention how the Syrians’ view of hijab is a complete joke, the abayas are skin tight and their niqab starts from their forehead and ends at their nostrils, I wish I was exaggerating but unfortunately I’m really not … So sisters please try and bring your three-layer niqabs, jilbabs and khimars [abayas] from back home

All in a day’s work
A normal day for a muhajirah revolves around the same duties as a normal housewife … cooking, cleaning, looking after and sometimes even educating the children. Ha ha. I didn’t even know how to cook when I got married (three months ago) but now I’ve had so much free time that I’ve learnt … you have a lot of time to seek out knowledge and the Koran. And when your husband has free time, then he can take you out to practise shooting, etc. In addition if your husband gives you permission, then you can go to the Internet café with a group of sisters or the market if you need anything.

No jihad for women
There is absolutely nothing for sisters to participate in fighting … no amalia istishihadiya (martyrdom operations) or a secret sisters’ katiba [battalion]. These are all rumours you may have heard through some sources who themselves are not actually aware of the truth. And the women you may have seen online participating are all part of a propaganda. The women in the video are part of secularist groups who are not calling for the law of Allah. Please sisters do not believe anything you hear or see online where apparently sisters are fighting … We have plenty of brothers who don’t even get selected on going on operations. The brothers get upset and start crying since they want to participate, so what does that make you think? For the sisters it’s completely impossible for the now.

“[I swear to Allah] there’s nothing more beautiful than bringing fear into the hearts of the [non-believers] by attacking them where they think they are safest,” the woman wrote soon after she surfaced in Syria.

Her messages also offer a glimpse into the recruiting methods employed by ISIS propagandists.

“Follow the example of your brothers from Woolwhich [sic], Texas and Boston etc. Have no fear as Allah swt [sic] is always with the Believers,” she wrote in June, referring to the killing of a British soldier outside his barracks in London by Islamist extremists last year, the Fort Hood, Tex., mass shooting in 2009 and the Boston Marathon bombing, respectively.

She also encouraged those living abroad to carry out jihadist acts, telling followers, “If you cannot make it to the battlefield then bring the battlefield to yourself. Be sincere and be a [jihadist] wherever you may be.”

 

[Pickman's model]

I doubt she'll be joining anytime soon.

Pls don't link to far right sites

 

[cupid_stunt]

Pls don't link to far right sites

I thought I had broken the link, I have now.

 

[Theisticle]

She’s a U.K. citizen, not dual national Shamima Begum will not be allowed here, says Bangladesh

 

[SpackleFrog]

She’s a U.K. citizen, not dual national Shamima Begum will not be allowed here, says Bangladesh

Damn, beat me to it!

 

[littlebabyjesus]

She’s a U.K. citizen, not dual national Shamima Begum will not be allowed here, says Bangladesh

yes, I thought that might be the response.

Who? Never heard of her. No record of her anywhere here. Not ours.

One thing we can consistently rely on is the thorough, all-levels incompetence of this government.

 

[Pickman's model]

She’s a U.K. citizen, not dual national Shamima Begum will not be allowed here, says Bangladesh

And like so much else this abysmal government turns its mind to, their withdrawal of citizenship turns into a clusterfuck

 

[cupid_stunt]

One thing we can consistently rely on is the thorough, all-levels incompetence of this government.

Javid has fucked up here, he made this the main story on a lot of front pages this morning, putting the Labour split into second place.

If he had left it 24 hours, it would be the main story, instead of the Tory split.

 

[teqniq]

Javid has fucked up by revoking her British citizenship. End of.

 

[Shippou-Sensei]

I thought I had broken the link, I have now.

still not broken.

edit the hyperlink

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Javid has fucked up by revoking her British citizenship. End of.

and tbh a lot of the damage is already done in terms of demonstrating this government's view of its citizens of Bangladeshi origin. Both morally reprehensible and fucking stupid.

 

[Dogsauce]

And like so much else this abysmal government turns its mind to, their withdrawal of citizenship turns into a clusterfuck

Nah, the Bangladeshis are just playing hard to get for some kind of bribe. They’ll change their mind for a bit of silver.

 

[teqniq]

and tbh a lot of the damage is already done in terms of demonstrating this government's view of its citizens of Bangladeshi origin. Both morally reprehensible and fucking stupid.

Not just Bangladeshi, anyone from a BAME grouping.

 

[Spymaster]

and tbh a lot of the damage is already done in terms of demonstrating this government's view of its citizens of Bangladeshi origin.

Why do you keep saying that? It demonstrates a view of people considered to be of dual nationality who join ISIS. Not specifically Bangladeshis.

 

[cupid_stunt]

still not broken.

edit the hyperlink

Fucking hell, using the xenForo break link function left the '!' as a link.

Sorted now.

 

[Theisticle]

This was probably Javid’s plan all along, kick this into the courts for 1-2 years, and in that time, become party leader, and promise to scrap the Human Rights Act. We’ll get ‘Enemies of the People’ rhetoric on steroids. Javid vs ‘illiberal, unelected judges