British IS schoolgirl 'wants to return home'

[Spymaster]

She hasn't has her citizenship revoked because she had been found guilty of a crime, even though there are various crimes she's almost certainly guilty of. It's been revoked simply because the HS has decided to do it and because he has the power to do so, so the fact that he's a cunt who is almost certainly doing it for reasons of political expediency and personal advancement is actually pretty central IMO.

See #1756

 

[maomao]

Not sure what you mean.

Maybe read the post you were reacting to. I didn't mention her at all. I said the law was racist.

 

[Spymaster]

Maybe read the post you were reacting to. I didn't mention her at all. I said the law was racist.

And in particular remove it from them because the state considers them foreign.

What bit of this do you think I've misunderstood?

 

[Pickman's model]

He's not setting a precedent. Over 100 other people have had their citizenships revoked for joining ISIS.

what do you mean by joining isis? running off and fighting?

 

[maomao]

What bit of this do you think I've misunderstood?

'Them' is usually (and definitely in this case) plural. What are you still struggling with?

 

[Spymaster]

what do you mean by joining isis? running off and fighting?

Being a member of. As she herself has said she was.

 

[Spymaster]

'Them' is usually (and definitely in this case) plural. What are you still struggling with?

So you weren't referring to her?

 

[Athos]

Don't get involved in anything the Home Secretary might decide means the removal of your citizenship would be 'conducive to the public good', which is rather a broader category...

His discretion isn't unfettered; he'd have to act on way that's compatible with the ECHR. For instance, this is a prima facie breach of her Article 8 right to family life, so the Home Secretary would have to show that the threat outweighs that.

 

[Pickman's model]

Being a member of. As she herself has said she was.

Shamima Begum 'a bit shocked' over UK plan to revoke citizenship - CNN

what you seem to be saying is that it's better to palm her off onto bangladesh or to have her rot in syria than to follow the existing policy.

 

[maomao]

So you weren't referring to her?

Only in the general sense that she is one of the many people this racist law applies to. I don't know why you think I was talking about her. It was a very short post.

 

[Athos]

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Shamima Begum 'a bit shocked' over UK plan to revoke citizenship - CNN

what you seem to be saying is that it's better to palm her off onto bangladesh or to have her rot in syria than to follow the existing policy.

That part of the policy doesn't envisage a dual citizen.

 

[Spymaster]

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Shamima Begum 'a bit shocked' over UK plan to revoke citizenship - CNN

what you seem to be saying is that it's better to palm her off onto bangladesh or to have her rot in syria than to follow the existing policy.

No. I'm saying I don't care what happens to her.

 

[Pickman's model]

No. I'm saying I don't care what happens to her.

for someone who doesn't care what happens to her you seem to be very concerned about the matter.

 

[Spymaster]

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[Spymaster]

for someone who doesn't care what happens to her you seem to be very concerned about the matter.

I'm just responding to posts

 

[Athos]

No. I'm saying I don't care what happens to her.

I don't either. At least not for her own sake. But I do care whether the law is wrong, or being used wrongly.

But you've fucked-up fundamentally in saying that they're being stripped because they're foreign.

Err... I haven't.

 

[Spymaster]

Only in the general sense that she is one of the many people this racist law applies to. I don't know why you think I was talking about her. It was a very short post.

But you've fucked-up fundamentally in saying that they're being stripped because they're considered foreign. Reductionist wank.

 

[Spymaster]

Err... I haven't.

Sorry. I meant to quote maomao.

 

[kebabking]

So, the racisty thing - if a future HoSec removed the UK citizenship of a white, duel UK and New Zealand citizen for going off to join IS, would that be racist?

 

[maomao]

But you've fucked-up fundamentally in saying that they're being stripped because they're considered foreign. Reductionist wank.

The law only applies to people with dual citizenship. It says if you have dual citizenship we can take your British citizenship away so because you are foreign British citizenship means something different ti what it does for all the other Britons. Where have I fucked up?

 

[maomao]

So, the racisty thing - if a future HoSec removed the UK citizenship of a white, duel UK and New Zealand citizen for going off to join IS, would that be racist?

I'd bet the nice civilised Western governments would have a chat between themselves rather than just taking the first opportunity to dump it on the other.

 

[Spymaster]

Where have I fucked up?

In entirely ignoring the context.

 

[maomao]

In entirely ignoring the context.

Yes. That was the whole point of the fucking post. I was saying the law was fundamentally racist regardless of the fucking context. Well done.

 

[Spymaster]

I was saying the law was fundamentally racist regardless of the fucking context.

That's wrong. It's not possible because someone is foreign it's possible because they hold two or more nationalities. If you hold dual nationality you are subject to different laws (and in some cases benefits) to people who hold just one.

Still, at least we've moved on from 'it's because she's brown'.

 

[maomao]

That's wrong. It's not possible because someone is foreign it's possible because they hold two or more nationalities.

People who only hold British nationality generally aren't foreign or am I missing something here?

 

[Spymaster]

People who only hold British nationality generally aren't foreign or am I missing something here?

What do you reckon?

Have a think.

Clue: am I foreign?

 

[A380]

she's had it removed because the home secretary's a cunt

Correlation is not necessarily causation.

 

[maomao]

What do you reckon?

Have a think.

Clue: am I foreign?

Yes. According to that law. Though if they deport you I wish they'd do it to a country with no Internet access.

 

[Pickman's model]

Yes. According to that law. Though if they deport you I wish they'd do it to a country with no Internet access.

you'll have to wish a bit harder because if they deport him he's going all the way to ireland.

 

[andysays]

What do you reckon?

Have a think.

Clue: am I foreign?

If I remember correctly, you've actively sought Irish nationality, so you can legitimately be regarded as 'foreign' if the HS decides to revoke your citizenship.

I'm not convinced it's legitimate to do so on the basis that your Mum (possibly) had Irish citizenship when you were born, which is the situation under discussion here.