British IS schoolgirl 'wants to return home'

[Treacle Toes]

Wow! Well this thread really has brought out the personal stuff hasn't it?

Sorry I'm not always as blisteringly keen as you are to play the race card at the drop of a hat.

Yeah right, except when it's in defence of bigoted White men, then you wax lyrical about the evil racism of calling them 'gammon' but other people throwing terms like paki and nignog around is okay cos they are your friends.

I'm not surprised at your reactions to this btw, you have a lot in common with Javid, these things don't bother you, you feel 'safe' being middle class and sheltered by your resources, you think you've arrived.

 

[cupid_stunt]

I've tried very hard but I can't read this post in a way that isn't suggesting that the nation of Bangladesh is somehow associated with ISIS. So what the fuck are you trying to say and what does her having lived in ISIS territory have to do with the good people of Bangladesh?

The suggestion was that it was unfair as she had never been to Bangladesh, the point being she had never been to the IS hell-hole before she settled there.

There's plenty of reasons to object to her UK citizenship being revoked, not least that it's unfair on Bangladesh, but I don't see the fact that she's never been there is one, as it would be fair better place than where she has been.

 

[Spymaster]

... you think you've arrived.

LOL! It was quite a journey

 

[Spymaster]

... but other people throwing terms like paki and nignog around is okay cos they are your friends.

Bit of an out-of-context stretch there as well.

 

[8ball]

...you have a lot in common with Javid, these things don't bother you, you feel 'safe' being middle class and sheltered by your resources, you think you've arrived.

On a "making friends" mission today?

 

[maomao]

The suggestion was that it was unfair as she had never been to Bangladesh, the point being she had never been to the IS hell-hole before she settled there.

There's plenty of reasons to object to her UK citizenship being revoked, not least that it's unfair on Bangladesh, but I don't see the fact that she's never been there is one, as it would be fair better place than where she has been.

Hmmm

Blown up by Syrian jets or pushed into the city when your village drowns then burnt to death in a factory. Not much of a choice.

 

[The39thStep]

Article on American women wanting to return now the game is up
2 American Wives of ISIS Militants Want to Return Home

 

[ElizabethofYork]

Yes I'm speculating that she didn't know. But even if she did, she was only 15 and so had no reason to do anything about it. I would wager that, if you were to go to Bethnal Green and ask a random set of 15-year-olds of Bangladeshi descent if they know that they are Bangladeshi citizens by default and that they can be stripped of UK citizenship on that basis right up to the age of 21, a large majority of them will not know that.

The vast majority of them haven't made the choice to join a murderous religious nutter sect, so they'll never need to know it.

 

[The39thStep]

Obviously redundant in Begums case but a view on child safeguarding and returning ISIS supporters who have children
What could happen to Shamima Begum’s Child? A Family law perspective

 

[littlebabyjesus]

The vast majority of them haven't made the choice to join a murderous religious nutter sect, so they'll never need to know it.

So what? That's not really the point. The UK government is not justified by anything Begum has done in acting in this disgusting way, declaring certain British citizens to be less British than others as a result of their ancestry.

 

[xenon]

The vast majority of them haven't made the choice to join a murderous religious nutter sect, so they'll never need to know it.

The objection LBJ is making and one I agree with, isn't anything to do with what an individual has or hasn't done. The point is the state being able to remove British citizenship from people who were born here somewhat stinks.

 

[maomao]

The objection LBJ is making and one I agree with, isn't anything to do with what an individual has or hasn't done. The point is the state being able to remove British citizenship from people who were born here somewhat stinks.

And in particular remove it from them because the state considers them foreign. It's a racist law.

 

[ElizabethofYork]

Article on American women wanting to return now the game is up
2 American Wives of ISIS Militants Want to Return Home

Interesting and disturbing. One of those women was actively encouraging acts of terrorism. What will America do with her?

 

[Treacle Toes]

Bit of an out-of-context stretch there as well.

Not at all, highlights your hypocrisy perfectly.

 

[andysays]

The objection LBJ is making and one I agree with, isn't anything to do with what an individual has or hasn't done. The point is the state being able to remove British citizenship from people who were born here somewhat stinks.

Exactly, and while many here may think that it doesn't matter too much in the case of this young woman, there is every possibility that the next time it will be someone we might be less happy about it happening to.

 

[Spymaster]

The objection LBJ is making and one I agree with, isn't anything to do with what an individual has or hasn't done. The point is the state being able to remove British citizenship from people who were born here somewhat stinks.

It's everything to do with what they've done. Don't get involved with beheadings and rape in the name of some pseudo-religious, bullshit cause overseas and you won't get your citizenship pulled.

 

[Pickman's model]

Interesting and disturbing. One of those women was actively encouraging acts of terrorism. What will America do with her?

 

[Spymaster]

And in particular remove it from them because the state considers them foreign. It's a racist law.

Horse shit.

She's had it removed because she's an unrepentant jihadi who enthusiastically involved herself with the most murderous cult on the planet. Not because she's foreign.

 

[Teaboy]

Exactly, and while many here may think that it doesn't matter too much in the case of this young woman, there is every possibility that the next time it will be someone we might be less happy about it happening to.

Many?

At the start pretty much all the thread was agreed that if she could get to a place where UK consular service was available she should be treated in the same way as any other UK citizen. There were a few posters (tim etc) who wanted to invent positions other posters didn't hold so they could prove how much more compassionate and better they were but hardly anybody (if any) held those views.

I can't see much has changed, unless I'm missing something. The thread remains of that view combined with a general agreement that Javid is an arse and this sleight of hand is shit. Saying 'fuck her, I don't care what happens to her' is not the same as condoning what the government is up to.

The rest is usual urban arguing over semantics.

 

[Spymaster]

Not at all, highlights your hypocrisy perfectly.

Oh shut up.

 

[andysays]

It's everything to do with what they've done. Don't get involved with beheadings and rape in the name of some pseudo-religious cause overseas and you won't get your citizenship pulled.

Don't get involved in anything the Home Secretary might decide means the removal of your citizenship would be 'conducive to the public good', which is rather a broader category...

 

[Spymaster]

Exactly, and while many here may think that it doesn't matter too much in the case of this young woman, there is every possibility that the next time it will be someone we might be less happy about it happening to.

Ah, that old chestnut. When/if that ever happens happens, that'll be the time to kick-off

 

[Spymaster]

Don't get involved in anything which means the Home Secretary might decide the removal of your citizenship would be 'conducive to the public good', which is rather a broader category...

Well if you can give any examples of that ever happening, let's discuss them.

 

[Pickman's model]

She's had it removed because she's an unrepentant jihadi who enthusiastically involved herself with the most murderous cult on the planet.

she's had it removed because the home secretary's a cunt

 

[Spymaster]

she's had it removed because the home secretary's a cunt

I think that's probably secondary.

 

[Pickman's model]

I think that's probably secondary.

by no means. no one is accusing this woman of beheadings or waging your actual war. it's very much down to what she believes. and there are a range of other remedies which might have produced a better result than removing her citizenship will. this is sajid javid being a cunt, playing to the gallery and setting a nasty precedent.

 

[Spymaster]

by no means. no one is accusing this woman of beheadings or waging your actual war. it's very much down to what she believes. and there are a range of other remedies which might have produced a better result than removing her citizenship will. this is sajid javid being a cunt, playing to the gallery and setting a nasty precedent.

He's not setting a precedent. Over 100 other people have had their citizenships revoked for joining ISIS.

 

[maomao]

Horse shit.

She's had it removed because she's an unrepentant jihadi who enthusiastically involved herself with the most murderous cult on the planet. Not because she's foreign.

She was about nine when the law I'm calling racist was passed so I can't have meant that can I.

 

[andysays]

I think that's probably secondary.

She hasn't has her citizenship revoked because she had been found guilty of a crime, even though there are various crimes she's almost certainly guilty of. It's been revoked simply because the HS has decided to do it and because he has the power to do it, so the fact that he's a cunt who is almost certainly doing it for reasons of political expediency and personal advancement is actually pretty central IMO.

 

[Spymaster]

She was about nine when the law I'm calling racist was passed so I can't have meant that can I.

Not sure what you mean.