British IS schoolgirl 'wants to return home'

[Athos]

But presumably until yesterday the authorities in Bangladesh had no idea she even existed. I'm sure they don't keep track of every birth registered around the world to the Bangladeshi diaspora. This is a purely notional citizenship until she actually applies for something with them and provides evidence of her right to it.

I'm no expert on Bangladeshi law, but I'm not sure you're right. See s.5 of the Citizenship Act 1951 (as amended). It does not include and requirement of application or registration that you seem to be claiming:

5. Subject to the provisions of section 3 a person born after the commencement of this Act, shall be a citizen of Bangladesh by descent if his 4[ father or mother] is a citizen of Bangladesh at the time of his birth:



Provided that if the 5[ father or mother] of such person is a citizen of Bangladesh by descent only, that person shall not be a citizen of Bangladesh by virtue of this section unless-



(a) that person's birth having occurred in a country outside Bangladesh the birth is registered at a Bangladesh Consulate or Mission in that country, or where there is no Bangladesh Consulate or Mission in that country at the prescribed Consulate or Mission or at a Bangladesh Consulate or Mission in the country nearest to that country; or



(b) that person's 6[ father or mother] is, at the time of the birth, in the service of any Government in Bangladesh.

 

[Spymaster]

But presumably until yesterday the authorities in Bangladesh had no idea she even existed. I'm sure they don't keep track of every birth registered around the world to the Bangladeshi diaspora. This is a purely notional citizenship until she actually applies for something with them and provides evidence of her right to it. The only country with her on record as a citizen will be the UK.

Looks like she's going to give the Dutch a whirl.

Let's see how that goes.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

I'm no expert on Bangladeshi law, but I'm not sure you're right. See s.5 of the Citizenship Act 1951 (as amended). It does not include and requirement of application or registration that you seem to be claiming:

5. Subject to the provisions of section 3 a person born after the commencement of this Act, shall be a citizen of Bangladesh by descent if his 4[ father or mother] is a citizen of Bangladesh at the time of his birth:



Provided that if the 5[ father or mother] of such person is a citizen of Bangladesh by descent only, that person shall not be a citizen of Bangladesh by virtue of this section unless-



(a) that person's birth having occurred in a country outside Bangladesh the birth is registered at a Bangladesh Consulate or Mission in that country, or where there is no Bangladesh Consulate or Mission in that country at the prescribed Consulate or Mission or at a Bangladesh Consulate or Mission in the country nearest to that country; or



(b) that person's 6[ father or mother] is, at the time of the birth, in the service of any Government in Bangladesh.

To be clear, though, even if her parents registered her birth with the Bangladesh consulate, this still absolutely, totally stinks. She's never even been there. She quite probably wasn't even aware she'd been registered, if she was.

 

[Athos]

To be clear, though, even if her parents registered her birth with the Bangladesh consulate, this still absolutely, totally stinks. She's never even been there. She quite probably wasn't even aware she'd been registered, if she was.

It seems that she'd be a Bangladeshi citizen regardless of any registration or even Abby knowledge on her part! I'm not necessarily endorsing the legal position; I'm explaining what it appears to be.

By s.14 she'd have lost it when she turned 21; them she'd have had to take some active steps to remain a dual citizen.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

It seems that she'd be a Bangladeshi citizen regardless of any registration or even Abby knowledge on her part! I'm not necessarily endorsing the legal position; I'm explaining what it appears to be.

By s.14 she'd have lost it when she turned 21; them she'd have had to take some active steps to remain a dual citizen.

Well that strikes me as a legal case for challenging this. In effect, they have at a stroke declared that all British citizens with Bangladeshi parents are second-class citizens until they reach the age of 21.

 

[cupid_stunt]

To be clear, though, even if her parents registered her birth with the Bangladesh consulate, this still absolutely, totally stinks. She's never even been there. She quite probably wasn't even aware she'd been registered, if she was.

I don't think the fact that she's never been there is a big thing, considering where she has been in the last few years.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

I don't think the fact that she's never been there is a big thing, considering where she has been in the last few years.

This isn't about what she's done. It's about what the UK govt is now trying to do to her, and the basis they are using to do it.

 

[Athos]

Well that strikes me as a legal case for challenging this. In effect, they have at a stroke declared that all British citizens with Bangladeshi parents are second-class citizens until they reach the age of 21.

The idea that dual nationals are second-class citizens has been extensively litigated already. I doubt she'd get much joy out of that.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

The idea that dual nationals are second-class citizens had been extensively litigated already. I doubt she'd get much joy at of that.

The idea that you can be a dual national without even knowing it is one that I would suggest can and should be challenged. Does the UK government really want to go down that route?

 

[Spymaster]

Well that strikes me as a legal case for challenging this. In effect, they have at a stroke declared that all British citizens with Bangladeshi parents are second-class citizens until they reach the age of 21.

You mean anyone with dual nationality (not just Bangladeshi), is a second class citizen insofar as they may have their British citizenship revoked if they join a genocidal foreign rape cult?

 

[Athos]

The idea that you can be a dual national without even knowing it is one that I would suggest can and should be challenged. Does the UK government really want to go down that route?

You're speculating that she didn't know.

Plus it's a matter of foreign law not UK law.

But, either way, it seems the government is willing to give it a shot. Possibly because they think they're on solid ground, possibly because they want to look tough notwithstanding they know they'll lose, and possibly because, even if they're wrong about the law, the difficulties she faces in challenging it might keep her out for a long time (during which the legal position could be overtaken by events e.g. her death).

 

[Dogsauce]

Doesn’t seem to be the brightest, if she’d kept her gob shut and not spoken to the idiot press then she’d have probably been quietly readmitted and subject to a bit of questioning, could have played the grooming victim angle and expressed remorse, got let off lightly. Instead every word she says, spun through a sensationalist media, digs a deeper hole. Surely someone in her family must have told her to shut up, unless they don’t actually want her back either.

Shows how fucked up her world view must be to think it was a good idea to say what she has, but I guess being where she has, the society she’s part of bombed out of existence, losing a couple of kids etc. probably skews your perspective.

 

[Dogsauce]

You're speculating that she didn't know.

Plus it's a matter of foreign law not UK law.

But, either way, it seems the government is willing to give it a shot. Possibly because they think they're on solid ground, possibly because they want to look tough notwithstanding they know they'll lose, and possibly because, even if they're wrong about the law, the difficulties she faces in challenging it might keep her out for a long time (during which the legal position could be overtaken by events e.g. her death).

Might also give Javid and opportunity to grandstand against Human Rights law/organisation, plays well to the gallery.

 

[Athos]

Might also give Javid and opportunity to grandstand against Human Rights law/organisation, plays well to the gallery.

Win back a bit of UKIP.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

You're speculating that she didn't know.

Plus it's a matter of foreign law not UK law.

Yes I'm speculating that she didn't know. But even if she did, she was only 15 and so had no reason to do anything about it. I would wager that, if you were to go to Bethnal Green and ask a random set of 15-year-olds of Bangladeshi descent if they know that they are Bangladeshi citizens by default and that they can be stripped of UK citizenship on that basis right up to the age of 21, a large majority of them will not know that.

As for your second bit, this is simply nonsense. It makes British citizenship contingent on the laws of other countries. This is very much a matter of UK law, and if UK law allows this stripping as it stands, then it's high time that was challenged and changed.

 

[Spymaster]

Doesn’t seem to be the brightest, if she’d kept her gob shut and not spoken to the idiot press then she’d have probably been quietly readmitted and subject to a bit of questioning, could have played the grooming victim angle and expressed remorse, got let off lightly.

Instead, she said that she was ok with Islamist beheadings and equated the bombing of an Ariana Grande concert full of kids, with the bombing of ISIS.

 

[Brainaddict]

If she's never been to Bangladesh and has no passport and never applied for one, then she's no more a Bangladeshi citizen than I am.

As for the laws of Bangladesh - if China passed a law making all British citizens also citizens of China, would you go righty-ho, I accept I have dual citizenship now?

 

[Athos]

This is very much a matter of UK law, and if UK law allows this stripping as it stands, then it's high time that was challenged and changed.

It's been tested many, many times. Whether or not you or I like it, it's settled law that dual nationals can, in some circumstances, be treated less favourably than sole nationals. I can't see that principle being successfully challenged in court.

 

[Brainaddict]

Instead, she said that she was ok with Islamist beheadings and equated the bombing of an Ariana Grande concert full of kids, with the bombing of ISIS.

She's a rotter all right.

 

[Spymaster]

If she's never been to Bangladesh and has no passport and never applied for one, then she's no more a Bangladeshi citizen than I am.

Except by law.

... if China passed a law making all British citizens also citizens of China, would you go righty-ho, I accept I have dual citizenship now?

Well I would probably seek to revoke it myself; but yes.

 

[Pickman's model]

If she's never been to Bangladesh and has no passport and never applied for one, then she's no more a Bangladeshi citizen than I am.

As for the laws of Bangladesh - if China passed a law making all British citizens also citizens of China, would you go righty-ho, I accept I have dual citizenship now?

auld spy does have dual citizenship, he wouldn't have to wait for the chinese to weigh in

 

[Athos]

If she's never been to Bangladesh and has no passport and never applied for one, then she's no more a Bangladeshi citizen than I am.

Morally, maybe. But, legally, she appears to be.

 

[Brainaddict]

Well I would probably seek to revoke it myself; but yes.

That's hilarious. I might write a letter to Kim Jong Un suggesting he do this and make you a north Korean citizen, with no right to revoke, because he can. But just with you. Not the rest of us.

 

[Spymaster]

That's hilarious. I might write a letter to Kim Jong Un suggesting he do this and make you a north Korean citizen, with no right to revoke, because he can. But just with you. Not the rest of us.

Umm, ok.

(He can't, btw)

 

[Brainaddict]

Umm, ok.

(He can't, btw)

It will be the law of another country. You can't argue with that.

 

[Spymaster]

It will be the law of another country. You can't argue with that.

Well there are such things as international law and precedents. Given that neither of my parents were born in North Korea and I have zero ties to the nation, I reckon he'd struggle a bit.

But feel free to drop him a line.

 

[Pickman's model]

Umm, ok.

(He can't, btw)

the letter in full

 

[Spymaster]

View attachment 162432

Dear Brainaddict,

Have you been smoking the whacky baccy?

Regards,
Kim Jong Un

 

[Pickman's model]

Dear Brainaddict,

Have you been smoking the whacky baccy?

Regards,
Kim Jong Un

someone's been peddling you false info

 

[maomao]

I don't think the fact that she's never been there is a big thing, considering where she has been in the last few years.

I've tried very hard but I can't read this post in a way that isn't suggesting that the nation of Bangladesh is somehow associated with ISIS. So what the fuck are you trying to say and what does her having lived in ISIS territory have to do with the good people of Bangladesh?