British IS schoolgirl 'wants to return home'

[SpackleFrog]

Just reread the first couple of pages of this thread
Moronic Kentucky students in Maga hats mock Native American veteran
Not many calls for understanding or trying to find explanations here.


Groomed innocents vs bigoted god botherers.

They weren't living in a refugee camp and there wasn't a discussion about stripping them of citizenship to be fair.

 

[Saul Goodman]

I've told you - I'm not interested in highlighting salient issues in the thread for you because I don't believe you're engaging genuinely in the discussion.

And because you're a rude prick.

It's hard not to be rude when you're faced with imebeciles who don't realise they are.

 

[editor]

she went off to be a fuck toy for a hunky jihad fighter for a truly repellant regime

And on that note, you're banned from this thread.

 

[SpackleFrog]

Yeah, she couldn't possibly still be a threat.
I can't believe people are giving her the time of day. I'm with Spy here, if it was a white bloke with a swastika tattoo, people would be screaming too bring back hanging.

I wouldn't.

 

[SpackleFrog]

It is largely pretty clear cut. Despite the weird stuff SF and Tim are coming out with most people are in agreement I think. Those things are being. The state shouldn’t go out of its way, send people over to retrieve her. If she makes it back here, investigation possible prosecution and her child probably taken into care.

Much easier than coming up with a solution for the multi dimensional horror show that is much of the Middle East.

I haven't said that at all. My points have been about how posters here are discussing the issue.

E2A: As in I'm not disagreeing with your take, to be clear.

 

[xenon]

isis have about a week left as any sort of coherent existence so any intelligence would be of limited value.
you don't need a command structure or plan to murder people by driving a car or getting stab happy so a used isis slut and one time slave handler is of no value at all.

Come on, this is actually rather fucked up. Slut? Leave it out eh.

Not because we must be nice about this person. Because a it’s actually inaccurate be you are using language that is misogynistic i.e. putting down women of any stripe for sexual activity and agency .

 

[ferrelhadley]

They weren't living in a refugee camp

See, when she left for ISIS she was living in a refugee camp thus was not responsible for her decisions.
This is why I will never be as clever as you. No imagination.

 

[SpackleFrog]

It's hard not to be rude when you're faced with imebeciles who don't realise they are.

If only I were as wise as you eh?

 

[abstract1]

What, you think I should let some prick call me a misogynyst and say nothing?

Save your outrage, no one cares what you think.

 

[Athos]

So you're not saying there is a tension between British values and Islamist values then?

That wasn't the point I was making, no; it was that that question is a topical one.

But, for what it's worth, I don't think the idea of 'British values' takes us anywhere. My dislike of Islamism isn't because of British values (whatever they're supposed to be), but because of a class-based opposition to fascistic regimes.

 

[Saul Goodman]

If only I were as wise as you eh?

It's nothing to do with wise (although thank you). It's being dishonest, and you're very good at it.

 

[SpackleFrog]

See, when she left for ISIS she was living in a refugee camp thus was not responsible for her decisions.
This is why I will never be as clever as you. No imagination.

No, I'm not saying she wasn't responsible for her decisions. I'm saying the MAGA kids aren't suffering or in danger.

Although if they ever end up in a US jail that would probably change.

 

[editor]

Get fucked. Prick. Nothing passive about it at all.

You're throwing around way too much personal abuse. Take a warning and a permanban off this thread.

 

[SpackleFrog]

That wasn't the point I was making, no; it was that that question is a topical one.

But, for what it's worth, I don't think the idea of 'British values' takes us anywhere. My dislike of Islamism isn't because of British values (whatever they're supposed to be), but because of a class-based opposition to fascistic regimes.

Fair enough.

 

[ferrelhadley]

I'm saying the MAGA kids aren't suffering or in danger.

Bethnal Green is a bit stabby so one could see why this would excuse her wanting to go to Syria.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

You're throwing around way too much personal abuse. Take a warning and a permanban off this thread.

Really? He was called passive-aggressive and a misogynist. He was responding to personal abuse.

 

[SpackleFrog]

Not just an idiot, but an outright liar.

I don't accept that, for the record.

 

[editor]

Really? He was called passive-aggressive and a misogynist. He was responding to personal abuse.

Yes really. Take a look at his other posts all over the site today. And then there's the question of what appears to be two log ins and the fact he may be a returning banned poster. I've answered your point but this is not the thread for this discussion. Please take it to the feedback forum. End of.

 

[abstract1]

Really? He was called passive-aggressive and a misogynist. He was responding to personal abuse.

The bloke’s a tool; save your hand wringing...

 

[SpackleFrog]

Really? He was called passive-aggressive and a misogynist. He was responding to personal abuse.

Is it personal abuse to criticise someone for passive aggression and misogyny? Cos I don't remember the poster who did so calling him a prick.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Is it personal abuse to criticise someone for passive aggression and misogyny? Cos I don't remember the poster who did so calling him a prick.

Of course it is. Calling someone a misogynist is a lot worse than calling them a prick. You've called me a racist on this thread. That's a lot worse as well.

 

[eoin_k]

Another interview with an American Woman in the same camp.
US woman 'deeply regrets' joining Isis and wants to return home

The women cannot leave the camp and are escorted to meetings by armed guards. They have access to food and some aid.

At least the ten page bun fight about whether or not The Times could just bring her back in the back of a Land Rover can now be settled. She's perhaps not a prisoner, in that they'd gladly hand her over to Britain, but they don't seem that keen to just let her roam freely around a war zone. Who'd have guessed it.

 

[abstract1]

Of course it is. Calling someone a misogynist is a lot worse than calling them a prick. You've called me a racist on this thread. That's a lot worse as well.

Blah blah, fucking blah - it’s the fucking internet - grow up!

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Blah blah, fucking blah - it’s the fucking internet - grow up!

Maybe you should be told to fuck off from this thread as well, then. Or is it just the ones you try to wind up you want gone?

 

[abstract1]

Maybe you should be told to fuck off from this thread as well, then. Or is it just the ones you try to wind up you want gone?

Oooooh!

 

[ferrelhadley]

The threat or "threat" (your mileage may vary) she would pose in the UK is not as a suicide bomber but as a propagandist.
However she should have the right to free speech so long as she does not openly incite violence or recruitment for violent groups.

And the primary concern should be the safety of the new born. Its a measure of how far our society has sunk that his is not the main topic of debate.

 

[abstract1]

For what it’s worth, my view, as of today is this; she’s a British citizen. She has the right to be returned to the UK to face the legal system here. Inevitably, if she returns to the UK, she and her child will be assessed under the Children Act - they will both be under considerable scrutiny. She won't be coming back to liberty and opportunities to network with IS. Beyond that, it’s not our business.

 

[Edie]

Why do you think that is? Wht needs to change to put it right?

Just to throw some suggestions out there (which other women might not agree with) but I think some effort not to be scornful if someone doesn’t know as much, doesn’t know the history, or the theory. So it doesn’t feel like a competition about obscure theory. It often feels like a club you can’t join.

Not as quick to be personal, and nasty personal, that silences people very effectively.

Try to see things from a women’s pov, or think about what a woman’s concerns might be about a certain situation?

Really hope these aren’t stupid or stereotyped things to say and just speaking for myself obviously.

 

[Athos]

Just to throw some suggestions out there (which other women might not agree with) but I think some effort not to be scornful if someone doesn’t know as much, doesn’t know the history, or the theory. So it doesn’t feel like a competition about obscure theory. It often feels like a club you can’t join.

Not as quick to be personal, and nasty personal, that silences people very effectively.

Try to see things from a women’s pov, or think about what a woman’s concerns might be about a certain situation?

Really hope these aren’t stupid or stereotyped things to say and just speaking for myself obviously.

Makes sense. Would be a big change, though!

 

[Smokeandsteam]

Steady.

Its not an odd comment.

Who does this woman belong to. That’s what the fights over isn’t it?

So no it’s not weird that Red Cat made that comment.

The row across social media is about culture, the concept of the nation state, borders and free movement, state and other responses to terror and many other things. There is a gendered element to it but it’s much wider than that imho