BNP to march from Woolwich to Lewisham Sat 1st June

[YouSir]

Whats the nearest tube station to the Mosque/Islamic Centre?

It's in the dirty south chief, we don't hold with them there 'ground trains'. Lewisham or Hither Green stations both close by though with trains from London Bridge. Also East London line goes to New Cross which isn't far. Or buses. Nearest tube is... Canada Water maybe?

 

[bignose1]

On a personal nostalgia front(sic) Lewisham was where I got involved in anti fascism almost 35 years ago to the day. If it wasnt for my dads 80th birthday this weekend I would have gone down there. These milestones whilst Im unemployed and having time on my hands...albeit frantically looking for a job ...have given me an oppurtunity to retrace some of the steps I took during my active life.

(Ive also been to a number of places further afield on a more broader spiritual journey...Jarama....Milan......Oradour...Drancy..) My intention is to post up an online journal, mainly photographic.....it wont be too depressing there will/is some uplifting/humour. Got a bit to go yet.

Im getting some Wordpress training at the moment so i hope it will be a half decent plan.

 

[ddraig]

It's in the dirty south chief, we don't hold with them there 'ground trains'. Lewisham or Hither Green stations both close by though with trains from London Bridge. Also East London line goes to New Cross which isn't far. Or buses. Nearest tube is... Canada Water maybe?

even i know they have the DLR there!
not been for years

 

[Puddy_Tat]

I don't think many if any trains go to lewisham from woolwich at the weekend...

according to national rail enquiries, direct trains from woolwich arsenal to lewisham at 13 and 43 minutes past the hour on saturday, journey time 12 minutes - no engineering works planned for that line this saturday.

NRE also shows the ones that go down to barnehurst /slade green then round the curve and back via bexleyheath, but these take a bloody long time...

There is of course the chance that the train operator will decide to close certain stations due to risk of trouble - or that the plods might direct them to do so.

Whats the nearest tube station to the Mosque/Islamic Centre?

tube?

in SE London?



Ladywell (national rail / south east trains service) is the closest. Catford / Catford Bridge / Lewisham / Hither Green aren't all that far.

All these are on lines from Charing Cross / Waterloo East / London Bridge, except Catford which is on the line from Blackfriars.

SE13 6NZ is postcode for the Islamic Centre.

 

[Brainaddict]

I'm guessing that quote is probably taken from a UAF/SWP member? The consensus was most certainly NOT that "most of us turn up at Woolwich Barracks midday"

Fair enough, the quote is from someone I don't know well. Thanks for the additional info. It didn't make sense to me either that everyone go to Woolwich - protection of the target seems pretty important.

 

[Lord Camomile]

It's called Lewisham Islamic Center.

Not sure about trying to cover the two protests, seems like it'll just diminish the effects of both counter demos. Plus I'm not going to Woolwich because it's shit.

Hoi, we've just had some bad press lately

Why are they going to Lewisham Islamic Centre, rather than Greenwich Islamic Centre which is literally just down the road in Plumstead? Is it just a higher profile centre?

 

[cesare]

Hoi, we've just had some bad press lately

Why are they going to Lewisham Islamic Centre, rather than Greenwich Islamic Centre which is literally just down the road in Plumstead? Is it just a higher profile centre?

I imagine part of the thinking is to minimise accusations that they're after the south Asian Muslim community. They're going for Islamic elsewhere instead. Of course, that won't stop the accusations of racism but this way they can say "wot! No, it's religious"

Also, I expect they'd rather not have turf warfare on their own back door.

 

[Lord Camomile]

Aye, both fair points.

 

[leyton96]

Fair enough, the quote is from someone I don't know well. Thanks for the additional info. It didn't make sense to me either that everyone go to Woolwich - protection of the target seems pretty important.

No worries. Hope I didn't come across as having a go at you. My sharp tone was irritation at the usual silly buggers play acting that goes on from our friends over at Delta Towers. There is just no way anyone could have come away from that meeting honestly thinking the general consensus was everyone turn up at the barracks at midday.

 

[comrade spurski]

thanks for the info re timing in Lewisham and to puddy tatt re train time tables...I have seen the swp and uaf webpages and neither is mentioning anything in Lewisham...and both are simply pushing woolwich...I would have understood if they were going to assemble where the scum were looking to start as this may force the police to stop any BNP demo from taking place but to assemble in the centre of woolwich seems like self promotion at the expense of our community.

 

[cesare]

I wonder if the SWP and UAF have consulted the local communities in Woolwich about this.

 

[ddraig]

so they gonna have 1 maybe 2 coaches with a police escort?
could be just like scabs going to work!

 

[cesare]

General Gordon Square - that's the newly redeveloped square just outside the train/DLR station, right? Where all the buses come through, bus stops, loads of people travelling in/out? http://www.tfl.gov.uk/assets/downloads/gettingaround/woolwich-arsenal-local-area-connection-map.pdf

 

[Pickman's model]

General Gordon Square - that's the newly redeveloped square just outside the train/DLR station, right? Where all the buses come through, bus stops, loads of people travelling in/out? http://www.tfl.gov.uk/assets/downloads/gettingaround/woolwich-arsenal-local-area-connection-map.pdf

the general gordon bit's a bit ominous considering what radical muslims did to charles gordon at khartoum

 

[Pickman's model]

 

[Brainaddict]

South London antifascists have ranted a bit against the UAF position, should you feel the need to follow the wrangling: http://www.tmponline.org/2013/05/30/slaf-diversity-woolwich/

As a general transport note for those who don't know the area, traffic through Lewisham can be a fucker sometimes, and a demo or possibly three will likely make it worse. So I'd say take the train rather than bus if you have the choice - plenty of train stations in the area, as above. Just remember who else might be using them.

 

[Puddy_Tat]

As a general transport note for those who don't know the area, traffic through Lewisham can be a fucker sometimes, and a demo or possibly three will likely make it worse. So I'd say take the train rather than bus if you have the choice - plenty of train stations in the area, as above. Just remember who else might be using them.

indeed - as soon as streets start getting closed, traffic will clog up and buses will be diverted if they are not already stuck - the Lewisham hospital marches led to some buses getting caught up in it for an hour or two...

 

[Puddy_Tat]

just been on the 6.30 pm radio London news that the police have refused permission for the BNP to march in SE London on Saturday

 

[DrRingDing]

just been on the 6.30 pm radio London news that the police have refused permission for the BNP to march in SE London on Saturday

http://www.met.police.uk/pressbureau/Bur30/page04.htm

 

[Brixton Hatter]

yeah just heard that too. A bit too 'un-policeable' for the Met's liking I think. Much easier to control people on Whitehall.

A bit disappointing really, cos I'm bored to fuck with stuff on Whitehall. Still, at least it means there's less chance of locals in SE London getting their shops and houses smashed up.

 

[Brixton Hatter]

And don't worry about Saturday people, I'm sure the SWP will be along shortly to tell us all what to do....

 

[shaman75]

http://www.met.police.uk/pressbureau/Bur30/page04.htm

Good

 

[treelover]

A bit disappointing really, cos I'm bored to fuck with stuff on Whitehall

Its not a fun day out, is it?

 

[Fedayn]

just been on the 6.30 pm radio London news that the police have refused permission for the BNP to march in SE London on Saturday

As I suspect he always knew they would. Now he plays the political martyr v Choudhry getting airtime card, win/win for the one-eyed fucker.

 

[Fedayn]

On a personal nostalgia front(sic) Lewisham was where I got involved in anti fascism almost 35 years ago to the day. If it wasnt for my dads 80th birthday this weekend I would have gone down there. These milestones whilst Im unemployed and having time on my hands...albeit frantically looking for a job...have given me an oppurtunity to retrace some steps during my active life.

(Ive also been to a number of places further afield on a more broader spiritual journey...Jarama....Milan......Oradour...Drancy..) My intention is to post up a journal online, mainly photographic.....it wont be too depressing there will/is some uplifting/humour. Got a bit to go yet.

Im getting some Wordpress training at the moment so i hope it will be a half decent plan.

Drancy? In France? I had a video "If These Walls Could Speak," about Drancy given to me by the makers. Interesting stuff.

 

[red rose]

Nick Griffin tweeting that the BNP are going to ignore the ban and encouraging people to still go to Woolwich. Also some bollocks about a "martial arts coverup" in mosques that I don't understand but which is no doubt some nonsensical accusation.

Whether this happens in Woolwich or Whitehall I'd like to be there but I don't much fancy going on my own. If anyone would like to meet up please give me a shout.

 

[dennisr]

Nick Griffin tweeting that the BNP are going to ignore the ban and encouraging people to still go to Woolwich. Also some bollocks about a "martial arts coverup" in mosques that I don't understand but which is no doubt some nonsensical accusation.

Whether this happens in Woolwich or Whitehall I'd like to be there but I don't much fancy going on my own. If anyone would like to meet up please give me a shout.

From the NUT organiser: "Lewisham NUT and Islamic Centre are proceeding with plans for Saturday's rally. If the BNP do have to stay away then our Unity Rally can then be a Victory Rally too"

 

[bignose1]

yeah just heard that too. A bit too 'un-policeable' for the Met's liking I think. Much easier to control people on Whitehall.

A bit disappointing really, cos I'm bored to fuck with stuff on Whitehall. Still, at least it means there's less chance of locals in SE London getting their shops and houses smashed up.

Reminds me of Eltham...

 

[bignose1]

Drancy? In France? I had a video "If These Walls Could Speak," about Drancy given to me by the makers. Interesting stuff.

Yeah thats right Feds, I havnt seen it.... but I recently got hold of the film The Round Up....La Rafle....(2010). Im over in North Carolina next month so will be visiting Greensboro.

 

[butchersapron]

Griffin is desperate to get nicked for various reasons (even daring Tommy Robinson to follow his forthcoming example) and the MET have just gave him the chance.