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Beating the Fascists: The authorised history of Anti-Fascist Action

Red About Town said:
Also available now for free download in PDF format.

Undertones -Anti Fascism and The Far Right in Ireland 1945 to 2012

An excellent book produced in 2012 to mark 21 years of Anti Facist Action in Ireland, written by Bernardo O’Reilly. Gives a history of the Irish Far Right in that period as well as the activities of AFA

Undertones -Anti Fascism and The Far Right in Ireland 1945 to 2012
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Enjoyed reading that . Seems pretty comprehensive . Something ...that I'm not all surprised is missing...is any mention of a ( wholly fictitious ) fascist " group " , by the clearly dog whistle name of " Irish nationalism " that embarked on a one man spray can campaign one night at Islandbridge and the Jewish museum back in 2004/5 ? Followed by a seemingly sock puppet style appearance on Scumfront shortly afterwards claiming responsibility ( that's were the " groups " name emerged and promptly disappeared thereafter. Never to be heard of again, its false flag purpose having been served ) .

They were never heard of before or ever since . And as was clear from the startled reactions on scumfront at the time even the Irish based fash had never heard of them either . Given the minuscule ..like seriously minuscule .. Nature of the Irish based fash that pointed to the so called group never having existed in the first place . closer examination pointed strongly towards an attempt at skulduggery emanating from a crank individual with another agenda completely .

And by amazing coincidence shortly afterwards the IRA memorial in Fairview park was in turn attacked...surprise , by an unnamed " anti fascist " group that yet again nobody had ever heard of . Major skulduggery . What are the odds of 2 such unheard of wholly anonymous groups engaged in the exact same carry on..the anonymous defacement of monuments in the dead of night..on the go at the same time in a scene were both sets of protagonists could more or less fit on the same bus ? A million to one . The penny soon drooped .

But good to check again and unsurprisingly find no evidence that this " Irish nationalism " outfit never actually existed . There were quite a few people looking to track down who was behind it at the time . It became a certainty the entire thing was a self serving hoax coming from a different spectrum . And an individual yet to be held to account sadly .
 
Why anyone might think it was a one-man band. An off-key one. Would you care to hazard a wild guess as to who this one man might be?
 
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UCO = Undercover officers.

From page 35 of this: https://www.ucpi.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/Mosaic-report-open-version.pdf

(Posted by DaveCinzano here Undercover policing enquiry)
 
I can think of one I'd like to meet agin.

Was never sure about her, but the more I read the more she fits the bill (pardon the pun)
 
When Labour MP Anne Cryer first tried to raise the issue of grooming in her constituency national papers like the Guardian wouldn't touch it and she ended up on an Islamaphobia watch list. It's just a small example. But when child rapists are automatically awarded immunity under the anti-racist umbrella it serves as a reminder of just how unhinged the left as a whole has become. Across Europe they have tilted over so far in order to match up to their own criteria they have fallen out of the boat on the other side. Not waving, but drowning. And they will have no hesitation in dragging anti-fascism down with them. Then what?
 
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Joe Reilly said:
When Labour MP Anne Cryer first tried to raise the issue of grooming in her constituency national papers like the Guardian wouldn't touch it and she ended up on an Islamaphobia watch list. It's just a small example. But when child rapists are automatically awarded immunity under the anti-racist umbrella it serves as a reminder of just how unhinged the left as a whole has become. Across Europe they have tilted over so far in order to match up to their own criteria they have fallen out of the boat on the other side. Not waving, but drowning. And they will have no hesitation in dragging anti-fascism down with them. Then what?
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agree, but not that part...many of us self describing as left, and want nothing to do with the kind of bullshit Graun sponsored ID politics that helps create spaces for abusers / groomers due to perceived racial / religio sensitivities.

On the other hand, always good to remember the scoutmasters / priests / football coaches /pub school teachers etc etc , ie : other groups of fucked up men with authority / access to potential victims, in a fucked up world.
 
How many of those were doing it as organised groups though? I don't mean this as whataboutery, but I don't think scoutmasters, teachers, football coaches etc have been systematically abusing kids in organised gangs, let alone to the unprecedented scale we are currently seeing.
 
So that makes it ok then? As long as we can balance the nonce score fairly between races there's no need for the spotlight to shine on this?
And the point I'm making is this shit is going on in multiple towns and cities.
 
cantsin said:
On the ale again eh
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I haven't had much actually. But think about it. If we were to have a discussion about e.g. Fred West, you wouldn't pipe up and say, "but let's not forget that [insert race] also rape and kill kids" would you? And by doing that here, you're actually confirming the point that Joe Reilly was making.
 
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How many of those were doing it as organised groups though? I don't mean this as whataboutery, but I don't think scoutmasters, teachers, football coaches etc have been systematically abusing kids in organised gangs, let alone to the unprecedented scale we are currently seeing.
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I have my dark suspicions about just how widespread and organised the sex abuse from senior politicos, lords and worthies was. Like yourself I mean no whataboutery here but its always bothered me that the light entertainment stars were thrown in jail post-saville (good) yet those political connections...well. I realise this makes me sound a bit tinfoil but janner ffs. This in no way takes away from the extant wrong here obviously. I just firmly believe the upper echelons of political life were running child sex rings or some simply 'not seeing them'. In both examples the targets are the same- the marginalised and weak in voice 'whose going to believe an estate slag/care home kid'? etc

A level of organisation some ways above opportunistic scout leaders abusing kids after a shower as individuals

Fuck knows if we'll ever get the truth of that mess
 
You said straight up this phenomenon is unprecedented . That organised pedo gangs doesn't occur outside the Muslim community . This was patently untrue and well known examples were provided . One reason why some people feel it necessary to point this out is because..not only is it totally inaccurate.. right now there are all sorts of bigots using such inaccuracies deliberately to stir up hate against Muslims . To " other " Muslims in general , on the basis such practices only originate from them and nobody else .

It's perfectly correct to state there exists a major problem on the western left who'll prefer to pretend stuff like this doesn't happen..whether Rotherham or Cologne/ Hamburg . Or anywhere else . Also perfectly correct to state people run the very real risk of being denounced as racists and fascists when they point it out . That's been a big thing in these cases and I've been on the receiving end of it a number of times .

But when you go about stating it's a phenomenon confined to one community that never happened before anywhere else that's just plain wrong . And pretty unhelpful . If you can't see how that can be used by the malevolently inclined I can't help you . The problem here is a totally inaccurate statement , not the reactions to it .


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You actually asked the question " how many ( non Muslims ) were doing this in organised gangs ?" . All I did was answer your direct question with a few examples of organised gangs . No need to crack up when it was the question you posed .
 
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The point being made is that when it comes to ruling class noncing there isn't any downplaying of it by pointing out that others are nonces too. Obviously the far right make hay whilst the sun shines when it comes to Muslim noncing but the left leave the floor completely open for them to do that by having this weird double standard when it comes to this type of offence perpetrated by non whites.
 
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Casually Red said:
You said straight up this phenomenon is unprecedented . That organised pedo gangs doesn't occur outside the Muslim community . This was patently untrue and well known examples were provided . One reason why some people feel it necessary to point this out is because..not only is it totally inaccurate.. right now there are all sorts of bigots using such inaccuracies deliberately to stir up hate against Muslims . To " other " Muslims in general , on the basis such practices only originate from them and nobody else .

It's perfectly correct to state there exists a major problem on the western left who'll prefer to pretend stuff like this doesn't happen..whether Rotherham or Cologne/ Hamburg . Or anywhere else . Also perfectly correct to state people run the very real risk of being denounced as racists and fascists when they point it out . That's been a big thing in these cases and I've been on the receiving end of it a number of times .

But when you go about stating it's a phenomenon confined to one community that never happened before anywhere else that's just plain wrong . And pretty unhelpful . If you can't see how that can be used by the malevolently inclined I can't help you . The problem here is a totally inaccurate statement , not the reactions to it .
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In the context of what we're discussing - organised noncing in Newcastle, there isn't an equivalent. I haven't once said it's a Muslim only problem generally.
 
Casually Red said:
You actually asked the question " how many ( non Muslims ) were doing this in organised gangs ?" . All I did was answer your direct question with a few examples of organised gangs . No need to crack up when it was the question you posed .
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Give examples from the last decade. And don't be choosy about the race/religion of the perps.
 
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