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Beating the Fascists: The authorised history of Anti-Fascist Action

When you do an A-Z of why people have found issue with you ....then Ill attend your online kangaroo court. My ego apart who do YOU think you are.....I fucking laff at this situation sometimes......that its even got this far.

As you seem to know everything about everyone here, why don't you "do an A-Z" for us? Go ahead, you've attacked, smeared and lied about almost everyone else on this thread that's been associated with Red Action. Please, be my guest...

You introduced the "I left Searchlight in 1994..." point and you continually refer back to it as if it was common knowledge. Well, it wasn't and I am asking you what were your reasons for parting company with Searchlight?

I'm hearing rumours of a turn towards militant Irish republicanism by you, which, if true, I would find to be very curious indeed, because less than two years before that you told me that you preferred to steer clear of Irish politics and concentrate exclusively on anti-fascism, for reasons that I respected at the time.
 
As you seem to know everything about everyone here, why don't you "do an A-Z" for us? Go ahead, you've attacked, smeared and lied about almost everyone else on this thread that's been associated with Red Action. Please, be my guest...

You introduced the "I left Searchlight in 1994..." point and you continually refer back to it as if it was common knowledge. Well, it wasn't and I am asking you what were your reasons for parting company with Searchlight?

I'm hearing rumours of a turn towards militant Irish republicanism by you, which, if true, I would find to be very curious indeed, because less than two years before that you told me that you preferred to steer clear of Irish politics and concentrate exclusively on anti-fascism, for reasons that I respected at the time.

For those people that really matter it was common knowledge( the searchlight stuff)..for you tittle tatlers it really is was none of your business so therefore you dont/didnt need to know....Re militant Irish republicanism...I think theres mischief making...but if I was so what....But you have committed a serious no no in saying this....its called grassing in any ones book and youve now overstepped the mark. No coming back from that.

Your and your associates smeared threatened and ostracised people who disagreed with you...you didnt have it all your own way and I hear you got put in your place a few times but this isnt about dick swinging....I stick by everything Ive said about the 2003 Red Action forum being a cesspit of lies threats and scorn. I wish you all the luck trying to recover any caches of that material. As I dont trust you not to fuck about with it once you find it, I wont hold my breath.

Ps Coming from you how ironic. And fucking disgraceful behaviour.
 
For those people that really matter it was common knowledge( the searchlight stuff)..for you tittle tatlers it really is was none of your business so therefore you dont/didnt need to know....Re militant Irish republicanism...I think theres mischief making...but if I was so what....But you have committed a serious no no in saying this....its called grassing in any ones book and youve now overstepped the mark. No coming back from that.

I'll take that as a 'yes' then. How very peculiar that not so long after you supposedly 'left Searchlight in 1994' (and not so long after Pat Hayes was sent down for his part in the IRA's campaign in Britain) that you should gravitate towards militant republicanism.

"Grassing", "overstepped the mark", "No coming back"....

Oh, really? Is that a threat? What you gonna do about it Steve, firebomb me? :cool:

I still have comrades and friends in Ireland who are already aware of you and asking the same questions btw.

Consider yourself and your associates to be firmly in the frame for anything that might happen as a result of this exchange.

Your and your associates smeared threatened and ostracised people who disagreed with you...you didnt have it all your own way and I hear you got put in your place a few times but this isnt about dick swinging....I stick by everything Ive said about the 2003 Red Action forum being a cesspit of lies threats and scorn. I wish you all the luck trying to recover any caches of that material. As I dont trust you not to fuck about with it once you find it, I wont hold my breath.

Ps Coming from you how ironic. And fucking disgraceful behaviour.

Put up or shut up with the Red Action forum circa 2003. Not a single person here, either for or against Red Action has corroborated anything you've said regarding the old forum. The only person smearing and 'grassing' people up here is YOU, constantly and pathologically.

The 'disgraceful behaviour' is whatever game you've been playing since 'leaving Searchlight'. Are you still working for Gerry, or is it to a higher authority that you answer now?
 
I'll take that as a 'yes' then. How very peculiar that not so long after you supposedly 'left Searchlight in 1994' (and not so long after Pat Hayes was sent down for his part in the IRA's campaign in Britain) that you should gravitate towards militant republicanism.

"Grassing", "overstepped the mark", "No coming back"....

Oh, really? Is that a threat? What you gonna do about it Steve, firebomb me? :cool:

I still have comrades and friends in Ireland who are already aware of you and asking the same questions btw.

Consider yourself and your associates to be firmly in the frame for anything that might happen as a result of this exchange.



Put up or shut up with the Red Action forum circa 2003. Not a single person here, either for or against Red Action has corroborated anything you've said regarding the old forum. The only person smearing and 'grassing' people up here is YOU, constantly and pathologically.

The 'disgraceful behaviour' is whatever game you've been playing since 'leaving Searchlight'. Are you still working for Gerry, or is it to a higher authority that you answer now?

See youre at it again...very strange that you should continue with this militant irish stuff...and now you put me in the frame as a police spy. Well for me it sums you up...you smear someone as a spook then pretend that you are now in some sort of peril. That isnt my style Steven. Im not the sort of cunt that operates on that level. Why do yo introduce this bizarre logic. And what am I in the frame for. Its another delusion. Whoevers been feeding you this shit then theyre playing with your dick Steve...Ive done/felt nothing different in my overall political outlook that includes Ireland since day one so I would take it back to your tittle tatler and tell him to wank over someone else.
Its strange how you introduce this now...its a desperate tactic...smear someone with irish republicanism then insinuate they are a grass...very very poor and my long standing friends over there will also pick up on what you say and come to the same conclusion which I may say will be that of those who point the finger...you know the rest.
 
See youre at it again...very strange that you should continue with this militant irish stuff...and now you put me in the frame as a police spy. Well for me it sums you up...you smear someone as a spook then pretend that you are now in some sort of peril.

Steve, isn't that what you've been doing yourself for much of this thread, going on about Red Action threats and intimidation, gangsters and 'crews'?

That isnt my style Steven. Im not the sort of cunt that operates on that level. Why do yo introduce this bizarre logic. And what am I in the frame for. Its another delusion. Whoevers been feeding you this shit then theyre playing with your dick Steve...Ive done/felt nothing different in my overall political outlook that includes Ireland since day one so I would take it back to your tittle tatler and tell him to wank over someone else.

My logic may well be out on this and I will hold my hands up and apologise for it, if it is. I was really surprised to hear of the alleged political associations and considering the way you've gone on about RA's 'gangster associations' here I was flabbergasted that you would have any association with the outfit in question.

Its strange how you introduce this now...its a desperate tactic...smear someone with irish republicanism then insinuate they are a grass...very very poor and my long standing friends over there will also pick up on what you say and come to the same conclusion which I may say will be that of those who point the finger...you know the rest.

Do you read your own posts? You called me a grass too. I simply returned the serve. There's no strangeness in the timing and no tactics involved, it's something that I was asked about recently and I actually said to the person concerned that I would be really surprised if it were true.

Irish republicanism isn't a 'smear' Steve, I'm a republican myself.

As for finger pointers, FFS man! Read back some of yer own posts. :D

BTW, I am happy to talk to you anytime directly about any of this stuff. I got extremly pissed off with your posts this week, probably for the first time in the thread, because I could not see anything constructive or political in any of them, just insults.
 
who wrote the 'if you cannot smash them when they are weak, how can you smash them when they are strong?' quote. i am sure its in BTF but unsure if its a quote or an original phrase. i seem to be using it a lot at the moment.
 
It's from Red Action issue number 52, and quoted in BTF

If groups like the NF or Blood & Honour are not confronted, how can they be beaten? If you cannot beat them when they are weak, how can you hope to defeat them when they are strong?” And “if the Left is not strong enough or determined enough to defeat them, how is it even possible to even talk of confronting the State?
 
because the EDL are in terminal decline now and many have left and are bitter towards tommy fucking it up and milking em dry. from 2,000 to 20 in cambridge, 350 for national in MCR. the annual humiliation in brighton is coming which is gonna be faced with mighty wrath. the infidels and their eejits have swung further to the right but are annoying rather than any threat. the infidels are so weak they havent called a demo for ages as they cant sustain it. however, the fash in the north east are still active and it will be interesting to see how sunderland goes today. they have never been weaker or more fragmented.
 
E. Stampton is writing a book apparently.

I found a pretty good website called the Glory Days of R.A.C. Hard to navigate but interesting pics.

www. gloryrac .blogspot .com
 
I've heard Tommy's giving his full support to UKIP, which will put cousin Kev in a mood, considering his position in the BFP. Mind you does that org still exist?
 
I've heard Tommy's giving his full support to UKIP, which will put cousin Kev in a mood, considering his position in the BFP. Mind you does that org still exist?


I think it's folded.

EDL support for UKIP does UKIP some good, but I think they'll eschew it because it's not suit and tie enough.
 
E. Stampton is writing a book apparently.

I found a pretty good website called the Glory Days of R.A.C. Hard to navigate but interesting pics.

www. gloryrac .blogspot .com

"Glory days"? Not many of them I recall. The pictures on there give a flavour of what the reality of these supposed "glory days" were. A few gigs, with very few people even bothering to turn up. Those that did downed a few lagers tops, had a scrap between the different factions and when not up to their ankles in piss and vomit, throwing up in the bogs, watched and listened to some pretty dire bands, most people have never heard of and after their 15 seconds of fame disappeared forever. Skrewdrivers appearance battered and bloodied was probably the high point and ended up ironically being their low point. You could say it was more of a car crash, without much in the way of "glory" for its participants. 'Blood and I'm a gonner'.
 
I think it's folded.

EDL support for UKIP does UKIP some good, but I think they'll eschew it because it's not suit and tie enough.

I'm not entirely convinced EDL backing will make any significant difference electorally. What it does do is reflect how, apparently over night, UKIP has become politically acceptable to BNP type voters and been welcomed into the 'nationalist community'.
 
Sounds like a Joe Reilly quote to me... :)

Touche!

Here is an equally tidy little quite from Mr Frank Field MP:

“In my lifetime, we’ve moved from a Labour Party which was working class-dominated. Some trendy London middle class went along with it but [were] subjected, at least publicly, to the moral economy of the working class.
“We’ve moved to a stage where what was that minority is in a governing position, which imposes upon the working class its moral economy… there is a real crisis of representation.”

The Independent from last week.

The same case was made in 'The Making of Red Action' only a quarter of a century earlier.
 
I do realise this is a little off topic, but for anyone going to the below gig (featuring AFA linked bands) here are the set times

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Tickets are here http://brixton.fatsoma.com/events/81296/
 
Margaret Hodge, just now on Newsnight: "we left a vacuum, the BNP filled it."

..and after the BNP came UKIP.


The Slow Fix

The decline of the BNP has given UKIP the chance to fill the yawning gap that exists in working class political representation. By way of contrast, the current incarnations of the left are failing, yet again, to make any impression. This is repeating the pattern of recent decades, where the right have consistently out-thought the left in terms of strategy. The ongoing capitalist crisis offers real opportunities for our side, but it also presents great dangers. If the left continues to shirk its responsibility by failing to fully engage with the working class, it leaves the path clear for the continued growth of right-wing nationalism.
The recent Eastleigh by-election, where UKIP came in second less than two thousand votes behind the incumbent Lib Dems, has confirmed UKIP’s rise to political prominence in the UK. UKIP have long been a force at European level, but this has largely been due to their being a single-issue, anti-Europe protest vehicle. However, they are now making an impact at the ground level of British politics. Where not so long ago UKIP had fewer councillors than the BNP (and indeed, the IWCA), in the local elections of May 2012 UKIP were able to field nearly 700 candidates nationwide (compared to the BNP’s 130) and secured 13% of all votes cast, up from 8% in 2011. In the upcoming local elections in May, they will be standing 1,700 candidates in three-quarters of the available seats, as many as the Lib-Dems and only 500 behind the Tories. The website politicalbetting.com states that ‘For UKIP to have the nationwide organisation capable of putting up candidates in three quarters of the seats is a massive achievement’.
More significantly, it is not just in middle England where UKIP are breaking through, for their success in Eastleigh follows on from the second places they attained in the Middlesbrough and Rotherham by-elections in November last year, and Barnsley in March 2011, all Labour strongholds where UKIP comprehensively beat out the BNP. What explains this?
It is no coincidence that the rise of UKIP has followed on the heels of the decline of the BNP. In 2008 the BNP held 55 local and district councillors (link) and scored almost 70,000 votes in the London mayoral election, and in 2009 they won two MEPs in European elections where they netted a million votes nationwide. This earned Nick Griffin a spot on Question Time in November 2009, and the BNP then went on to poll over 500,000 votes in the 2010 general election. From this pinnacle, the BNP are now down to three elected councillors and their vote in the 2012 London mayoral election fell to below 30,000. In contrast to UKIP, the BNP are only standing 100 candidates in the coming local elections.
At the time of the Question Time appearance the BNP appeared all set to mount a profound challenge to the political establishment, but all their forward momentum has been lost and they have gone markedly backwards, and their drop-off in electoral success has been matched by public in-fighting, splits and financial troubles. Why has this happened? For one, the political establishment – all three major parties, plus satellites such as Hope Not Hate – mobilised as one in response to the threat they perceived from the BNP. Resources were poured into key battleground areas (such as Barking and Dagenham), and almost certainly there was an element of state infiltration of the organisation, which helped to sow instability. This is how the political centre responds to any threat to its established order: on a lower level, the IWCA has been subject to similar treatment (link). The concern of Hope Not Hate isn’t to defend the working class from fascism, it is to defend the political centre from any ‘radical’ threat. For a time, the BNP benefitted from the ‘outlaw’ status conveyed upon them as the political establishment united against them, but eventually the weight of resources lined up against them began to tell.
Another aspect is the lack of political experience and capital within the BNP. Up until 1994 their priority had been fighting a costly and ultimately losing street war. It was only at the turn of the century that they fully committed to the electoral route, and they didn’t win their first councillor until 2002. They then reaped great rewards extremely quickly, perhaps too quickly: having reached the heights by the end of the decade, they did not have the know-how or the experience to train on. They had not developed the wealth of experience and personnel that, for example, the FN in France has over a period of more than thirty years. Bluntly put, the BNP do not have the resources, capability or know-how to fully capitalise on the opportunities available to them (again, the IWCA faces something not dissimilar, particularly where resources are concerned). Finally, a large factor in the BNP’s vertiginous growth was falling for the temptation of spending money they didn’t have, resulting in the straitened financial position they now find themselves in...
 
..and after the BNP came UKIP.


The Slow Fix

The decline of the BNP has given UKIP the chance to fill the yawning gap that exists in working class political representation. By way of contrast, the current incarnations of the left are failing, yet again, to make any impression. This is repeating the pattern of recent decades, where the right have consistently out-thought the left in terms of strategy. The ongoing capitalist crisis offers real opportunities for our side, but it also presents great dangers. If the left continues to shirk its responsibility by failing to fully engage with the working class, it leaves the path clear for the continued growth of right-wing nationalism.
The recent Eastleigh by-election, where UKIP came in second less than two thousand votes behind the incumbent Lib Dems, has confirmed UKIP’s rise to political prominence in the UK. UKIP have long been a force at European level, but this has largely been due to their being a single-issue, anti-Europe protest vehicle. However, they are now making an impact at the ground level of British politics. Where not so long ago UKIP had fewer councillors than the BNP (and indeed, the IWCA), in the local elections of May 2012 UKIP were able to field nearly 700 candidates nationwide (compared to the BNP’s 130) and secured 13% of all votes cast, up from 8% in 2011. In the upcoming local elections in May, they will be standing 1,700 candidates in three-quarters of the available seats, as many as the Lib-Dems and only 500 behind the Tories. The website politicalbetting.com states that ‘For UKIP to have the nationwide organisation capable of putting up candidates in three quarters of the seats is a massive achievement’.
More significantly, it is not just in middle England where UKIP are breaking through, for their success in Eastleigh follows on from the second places they attained in the Middlesbrough and Rotherham by-elections in November last year, and Barnsley in March 2011, all Labour strongholds where UKIP comprehensively beat out the BNP. What explains this?
It is no coincidence that the rise of UKIP has followed on the heels of the decline of the BNP. In 2008 the BNP held 55 local and district councillors (link) and scored almost 70,000 votes in the London mayoral election, and in 2009 they won two MEPs in European elections where they netted a million votes nationwide. This earned Nick Griffin a spot on Question Time in November 2009, and the BNP then went on to poll over 500,000 votes in the 2010 general election. From this pinnacle, the BNP are now down to three elected councillors and their vote in the 2012 London mayoral election fell to below 30,000. In contrast to UKIP, the BNP are only standing 100 candidates in the coming local elections.
At the time of the Question Time appearance the BNP appeared all set to mount a profound challenge to the political establishment, but all their forward momentum has been lost and they have gone markedly backwards, and their drop-off in electoral success has been matched by public in-fighting, splits and financial troubles. Why has this happened? For one, the political establishment – all three major parties, plus satellites such as Hope Not Hate – mobilised as one in response to the threat they perceived from the BNP. Resources were poured into key battleground areas (such as Barking and Dagenham), and almost certainly there was an element of state infiltration of the organisation, which helped to sow instability. This is how the political centre responds to any threat to its established order: on a lower level, the IWCA has been subject to similar treatment (link). The concern of Hope Not Hate isn’t to defend the working class from fascism, it is to defend the political centre from any ‘radical’ threat. For a time, the BNP benefitted from the ‘outlaw’ status conveyed upon them as the political establishment united against them, but eventually the weight of resources lined up against them began to tell.
Another aspect is the lack of political experience and capital within the BNP. Up until 1994 their priority had been fighting a costly and ultimately losing street war. It was only at the turn of the century that they fully committed to the electoral route, and they didn’t win their first councillor until 2002. They then reaped great rewards extremely quickly, perhaps too quickly: having reached the heights by the end of the decade, they did not have the know-how or the experience to train on. They had not developed the wealth of experience and personnel that, for example, the FN in France has over a period of more than thirty years. Bluntly put, the BNP do not have the resources, capability or know-how to fully capitalise on the opportunities available to them (again, the IWCA faces something not dissimilar, particularly where resources are concerned). Finally, a large factor in the BNP’s vertiginous growth was falling for the temptation of spending money they didn’t have, resulting in the straitened financial position they now find themselves in...


You forgot to add the link and source. ;)

It's from the IWCA site: SLOW FIX
 
Doesn't the article merit its own thread?

I see your point, but on reflection at it's core the core of the article is informed by a militant anti-fascist stance that from the off insisted on a the need for a holistic approach to dealing with the right in all it's forms, which is to say physically, intellectually, culturally and if we follow the logic, electorally.

By contrast the left has done or attempted none of these things: for them anti-fascism is always a single issue it should by and large be addresssed in an apolitical way.

Otherwise, as the argument goes 'you might let the BNP in'.

Taking the apolitical route means having a big a tent as possible thats accomodates everyone bar the 'nazis' . And as we all know that even included UKIP. It probably still does.

But now UKIP are proving themselves attractive to that section of the population that previously voted BNP - but even more so.

One poll today puts UKIP on 22 % of the vote.

They probably won't get anything near that tomorrow, but what about the day after tomorrow?

Already we are being served up at least one fascist policy by a party previously deemed to be anti-fascist.

Fascism delivered without (by and large) fascists is how euro-nationalism is played out on mainland Europe.

And as the IWCA article points out, a hefty double figure return tomorrow will put Britain on par with France, Holland, Austria etc almost overnight.

So what now?

That is the question.

And on balance I would say this thread, given its own particular history, is the ideal place to debate the answers.
 
And on balance I would say this thread, given its own particular history, is the ideal place to debate the answers.

I see what you mean - however the 'rise' of UKIP has its own thread and the IWCA analysis is the most cogent yet about what it reflects and the the obvious challenges and tasks it poses for the left if is wants to be competitive. This deserves wider debate.

Having seen that Framed has now done what I suggested - and seen the usual dismal response from Nigel Irritable - I think you are right :rolleyes:
 
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