Are we really going to sit by while they destroy the NHS?

[ska invita]

I would say ime/anecdotally there's a fair amount of support among NHS staff for something like that charging system. Be interested to see any more fact based info, but support for it might even be higher than in the general public given how difficult working in the NHS is currently (people will clutch at straws for any solutions).

Any reasonable argument to charge a little in some cases, as often happens on the continent, must be fought against. It;'ll be the thin end of the wedge and escalate immediately. The principle of free healthcare at the point of delivery must be defended at all costs
I'll be generous and think some of those thick as shit Labour MPs who supported 3k student fees genuinely believed the cost would stay at that level - of course it jumped to 9k in a flash.
And thats the thing, New Labour have previous on this, Streeting obviously wants it, and so it will no doubt happen next parliament unless theres public fightback. All those reasonable voices saying a little charge here and there must be countered

 

[Pickman's model]

Yep, but what 'lone wolves' like the now 'liberated' Javid can do is raise the ideological direction up the news agenda. Simply having their vile ideas as "media talking points" acts to legitimise, normalise and ultimately manufacture some degree of consent.

There is always some degree of consent for any proposal

 

[LDC]

Any reasonable argument to charge a little in some cases, as often happens on the continent, must be fought against. It;'ll be the thin end of the wedge and escalate immediately. The principle of free healthcare at the point of delivery must be defended at all costs.

I agree, I was just responding to the idea that striking staff would be firmly against it as I think unfortunately that might not be the case.

 

[brogdale]

There is always some degree of consent for any proposal

regrettably, so

 

[PR1Berske]

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[PR1Berske]

I've just checked this was accurate because it's doing the rounds on Twitter.

This is how much Guernsey charges for health care at A&E. The Channel Islands are not part of the UK.

Emergency Department Charges - States of Guernsey

Users to the Emergency Department pay a basic 'Attendance, Assessment & Advice Only' fee, which is tiered according to the time they attend.

www.gov.gg

 

[ska invita]

I've just checked this was accurate because it's doing the rounds on Twitter.

This is how much Guernsey charges for health care at A&E. The Channel Islands are not part of the UK.

Emergency Department Charges - States of Guernsey

Users to the Emergency Department pay a basic 'Attendance, Assessment & Advice Only' fee, which is tiered according to the time they attend.

www.gov.gg

 

[Karl Masks]

View attachment 360637

Fuck. NO!

 

[SpookyFrank]

Any reasonable argument to charge a little in some cases, as often happens on the continent, must be fought against. It;'ll be the thin end of the wedge and escalate immediately. The principle of free healthcare at the point of delivery must be defended at all costs
I'll be generous and think some of those thick as shit Labour MPs who supported 3k student fees genuinely believed the cost would stay at that level - of course it jumped to 9k in a flash.
And thats the thing, New Labour have previous on this, Streeting obviously wants it, and so it will no doubt happen next parliament unless theres public fightback. All those reasonable voices saying a little charge here and there must be countered

Just look at NHS dentists. What started off as a small flat fee for dental work has turned into no NHS dentists left, market rates for everyone.

If they started charging for other NHS services they'd just cut government funding to match. It's not a solution, nor is it intended to be.

 

[LDC]

So a minimum of £120 for a visit to 'minors' up to £570 for a visit to a resus or similar.

 

[teqniq]

What.

Stop training so many doctors, universities told

 

[Karl Masks]

What happens if you can't afford treatment in Guernsey
?

 

[elbows]

What happens if you can't afford treatment in Guernsey
?

Its a big mess including lots of people with health insurance (often via their jobs) and also some social benefits stuff covering certain costs there.

I think their model is under pressure. There is an ongoing review about the funding model. There was a survey conduscted in 2022 that is supposed to feed intot hat review, and it reveals quite a lot of people avoiding seeking care and treatment for certain things.

Cost is a barrier to seeking care in Guernsey, survey finds

The health watchdog says 48% of people delayed accessing health services because of the cost.

www.bbc.co.uk

The full report of the survey results:

PRIMARY CARE SURVEY 2022

www.carewatch.org.gg

There are issues with scale there too, the entire population is smaller than that of my town.

 

[Rimbaud]

What.

Stop training so many doctors, universities told

This government is so fucking stupid that it's beyond belief.

 

[teqniq]

Bit of a result here:

 

[teqniq]

 

[weltweit]

While strikes were on and the NHS rundown, I had reason to visit my GP with a complicated issue. She got me seen by two separate hospital departments within a couple of weeks, numerous blood tests etc. I was impressed.

 

[wemakeyousoundb]

This government is so fucking stupid that it's beyond belief.

wish it was, but hey

 

[wemakeyousoundb]

While strikes were on and the NHS rundown, I had reason to visit my GP with a complicated issue. She got me seen by two separate hospital departments within a couple of weeks, numerous blood tests etc. I was impressed.

on strike
but
still working
;-)

 

[Pickman's model]

What happens if you can't afford treatment in Guernsey
?

You go to sarky

 

[Bingoman]

What.

Stop training so many doctors, universities told

I never heard anything so stupid in my life

 

[ska invita]

I never heard anything so stupid in my life

its almost as if they deliberately want to destroy the NHS

 

[DaveCinzano]

its almost as if they deliberately want to destroy the NHS

Meet my managers

 

[Duncan2]

fucking hell-just watched Dispatches-depressing or what -pretty sure the A-E Consultant reckoned that there were 23,000 excess deaths last year because of delays at every stage in Emergency Care.Courageous ambulance worker filmed for Channel Four some off the scale scandalous scenes inter alia a ninety odd year old woman hypothermic when the ambulance arrived because she had been lying on the pavement at night in freezing temperatures for four hours after pressing her lanyard panic button.That was far from the worst of it and unsurprisingly the last scene saw the ambulance guy emailing his resignation to West Midlands Ambulance Service.How has it come to this?

 

[elbows]

I dont have access to the full article but piecing together a couple of snippets via what is available and shows up in search results:

‘Free’ NHS makes people ‘lazy’ says pharmacy chief

The director of a leading pharmacy chain invited to advise the prime minister on healthcare reform has claimed the NHS makes people too 'lazy' to take responsibility for their health.

www.hsj.co.uk

The director of a leading pharmacy chain invited to advise the prime minister on healthcare reform has claimed the NHS makes people too ‘lazy’ to take responsibility for their health.

Day Lewis director Sam Patel also said the fact the NHS was “free” meant there was little “jeopardy” discouraging people from becoming ill,

 

[8ball]

I dont have access to the full article but piecing together a couple of snippets via what is available and shows up in search results:

‘Free’ NHS makes people ‘lazy’ says pharmacy chief

The director of a leading pharmacy chain invited to advise the prime minister on healthcare reform has claimed the NHS makes people too 'lazy' to take responsibility for their health.

www.hsj.co.uk

Maybe anyone who becomes ill more than once in a decade should be kneecapped as an initial warning, and then properly punished for further infractions.

 

[magneze]

Our nearest is a Day Lewis. I'll go a bit further next time.

 

[Pickman's model]

Our nearest is a Day Lewis. I'll go a bit further next time.

a cecil or a daniel?

 

[quimcunx]

Is it someone from Day Lewis? That's my nearest and who I get my prescriptions from. Might have to change that.

 

[elbows]

Is it someone from Day Lewis? That's my nearest and who I get my prescriptions from. Might have to change that.

Yes, a director.

Due to not being able to read the HSJ article I was lucky to even find that scrap of info. But now the fucking Telegraph have picked up on this story so more can be read via an archive site:

Free NHS makes public too lazy too look after themselves, says pharma…

archived 3 Apr 2023 15:27:15 UTC

archive.ph