teqniq
DisMembered
Shameless propaganda from the Times here:
Britain falls out of love with the NHS: poll reveals three in five now expect delays
Britain falls out of love with the NHS: poll reveals three in five now expect delays
Are we really going to sit by while they destroy the NHS?
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kalidarkone
Bringing YOU round.....
I'm not a fan of the Times, but I think the article is spot on. I can't argue with anything it's saying is going on.
The short term solutions by themselves are bollocks though and nothing more then a sticking plaster.
It’s a misleading story vs the body of the article which if tldr - most of the country thinks the government has fucked up the nhs.
teqniq
DisMembered
Ashcroft in Tory scum shocker. Eh would have guessed?
morningstaronline.co.uk
Medacs: how to make money from a run-down NHS
SOLOMON HUGHES illuminates the dark art of Tory trickery in the health service: cut public spending, then pay major party donors like Lord Ashcroft to fill the gaps with their private medical companies
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8ball
Decolonise colons!
Going to exactly to plan.
Karl Masks
Birds Angel Delight
I don't think they care anymore. Possibly this is the Tories at their most dangerous, if we believe they are resigned to electoral defeat. They just don't give a shit about fixing this. Not even to fatten up for sale
Sasaferrato
Super Refuser!
The GP crisis could be helped by no fees for medical students, accommodation provided, and a bursary.
In return, doctors work as GPs (at the normal pay rates) for three years before moving on to specialise.
A big increase in Nurse Practitioner, Advanced Nurse Practitioner numbers. 90% of patients could be more than adequately treated by NPs.
Charging student nurses to study and removing bursaries is another insane thing the current lot have done.
Would love to know what % of student loans they think they will get back from nurses. I bet it’s not worth the hassle.
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
I must have missed the bit when there was more money.
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
But 90% of patients being seen by less qualified practitioners sounds like a step back from what we had until very recently?
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
LDC
On est tous des pangolins
It's Advanced Clinical Practitioners (ACPs) not ANPs as they come from a range of previous medical backgrounds and then do a Masters level course of study, and the NHS long term plan is expanding that part of the workforce.
The training to be a GP is a specialism though, and takes years, so it doesn't work the way you suggest.
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SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
I mean...
He seems to be living on a different planet where the NHS has somehow got more staff, instead of the chronic shortage of staff it actually has.
He seems to be living on a different planet where the NHS has somehow got more staff, instead of the chronic shortage of staff it actually has.
LDC
On est tous des pangolins
That's not the right way to look at it. It's not about being 'less qualified', it's about being able to get appropriate medical care when you need it. There's a huge expansion in roles like ACPs and Physican Associates across the health service. That is so not even on the list of things to be bothered about.
Sasaferrato
Super Refuser!
I wonder.
Sasaferrato
Super Refuser!
LDC
On est tous des pangolins
It's changing, you're just behind!
ANP is still used here in England as well in some places, usually by nurses who are ANPs and are a bit resistant to the change. But the move is towards ACPs across the board, and they will get central professional registration as such at some point - currently they hold their professional registration with their prior professional body (NMC, HCPC, etc.).
Sasaferrato
Super Refuser!
They did restore the bursary, but at a lower rate.
Sasaferrato
Super Refuser!
It's changing, you're just behind!
ANP is still used here in England as well in some places, usually by nurses who are ANPs and are a bit resistant to the change. But the move is towards ACPs across the board, and they will get central professional registration as such at some point - currently they hold their professional registration with their prior professional body (NMC, HCPC, etc.).
Could you cite a source for that?
Shechemite
Be the sun and all will see you
You’re not going to get accountability within healthcare (hillsborough law anyone?) without taking on doctors, nor can you logically or effectively argue for universal, solidaristic and emancipatory care provision without at least at first acknowledging the absence of accountability for medical professionals and the culture and practice in the medical profession of seeing certain human beings as just too mad, bad or just plain feeble to warrant health (or any other sort of) care
The failure of the left to grasp this makes it easier for right wing politicians like streeting to push ‘efficiency’ and privatisation. Why defend the nhs/BMA when they’re a bunch of eugenist arse-covering bastards? Why have universal care provision when even medics behave as if some lives don’t matter?
The failure of the left to grasp this makes it easier for right wing politicians like streeting to push ‘efficiency’ and privatisation. Why defend the nhs/BMA when they’re a bunch of eugenist arse-covering bastards? Why have universal care provision when even medics behave as if some lives don’t matter?
LDC
On est tous des pangolins
What bit of it?
LDC
On est tous des pangolins
The problem that bits of the left (Labour especially) has with the NHS and health is that to 'fix it' is impossible without changing how people work and live and how society is organised.
Anything short of that is inevitably going to be a 'sticking plaster' solution.
Anything short of that is inevitably going to be a 'sticking plaster' solution.
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Sasaferrato
Super Refuser!
LDC
On est tous des pangolins
It's changing as people are working as ACPs who have never been nurses so cannot be ANPs but I'll see if I can find something more official though. It's an old title that's not helpful at describing the role, hence it changing in England. I was told it was changing in Scotland as well, be silly if it didn't given it doesn't reflect reality.
Here's what HEE say What is advanced clinical practice?
Here's what HEE say What is advanced clinical practice?
You know Wes streeting isn’t in government and is talking about the BMA objecting to an opposition policy ?
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