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Are we really going to sit by while they destroy the NHS?

alex_ said:
You know Wes streeting isn’t in government and is talking about the BMA objecting to an opposition policy ?
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I know he's not supposed to be supporting the government and opposing workers, it just doesn't seem like he knows that.

He's moaning about GP's not wanting to work 12 hour days, seven days a week and then acting like his lot will have no problem recruiting more doctors. And he's supposedly one of Labour's brightest bulbs.
 
SpookyFrank said:
I know he's not supposed to be supporting the government and opposing workers, it just doesn't seem like he knows that.

He's moaning about GP's not wanting to work 12 hour days, seven days a week and then acting like his lot will have no problem recruiting more doctors. And he's supposedly one of Labour's brightest bulbs.
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We just had our best GP go on long term sick, I am not surprised. Unfortunately she was a co-owner and the other guy is an incompetent nightmare.
 
SpookyFrank said:
I know he's not supposed to be supporting the government and opposing workers, it just doesn't seem like he knows that.

He's moaning about GP's not wanting to work 12 hour days, seven days a week and then acting like his lot will have no problem recruiting more doctors. And he's supposedly one of Labour's brightest bulbs.
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He’s not moaning about this at all, he’s telling private businesses who are happy to take government funding that maybe their businesses should be open when the people who are paying for it want to use them.
 
alex_ said:
He’s not moaning about this at all, he’s telling private businesses who are happy to take government funding that maybe their businesses should be open when the people who are paying for it want to use them.
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NHS GP surgeries aren't private businesses you prat.
 
alex_ said:
I stand corrected, but they should open when people want them to - otherwise people with go to emergency care.
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The problem isn't opening hours, it's society having a growing population with chronic and poorly managed health problems (including mental health) that's in large part due to poverty, inequality, poor housing, terrible public health programs and education, lack of childhood exercise, etc, etc.; on top of decades of underfunded other bits of healthcare. GPs have a huge workload that they're not set-up for, and that's meaning doctors aren't wanting to be GPs, and current GPs leave or are off long term sick, thereby increasing the problem.

If you think GP opening hours (or 'lazy GPs' which is the subtext) are in any way a part of the problem you've just fallen for the Tory line you gullible fool.

Honestly the fucking idiocy on all this is staggering from some.

Society and its healthcare are falling apart, fucking tinkering with opening times as some sort of panacea is the worst kind of deckchair re-arranging on the Titanic.
 
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I tell you what will sort out the NHS; sort out the massively unequal, over-worked, poorly housed, stressed out, isolated, financially fucked, badly nourished and under-exercised population.

Who's going to do that?
 
Ming said:
I rate this guy as a political commentator. Uncle Phil.

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Agree with that, government reckons it can stare down the strikes it has the power to resolve, but the nurses strike is likely a massive overstretch of that power and dangerously (for them) contradicts public opinion... Thing is even if they do "u turn" and settle that strike, I don't think it changes anything regarding other strikes. I don't think "u turns" are "humiliating", that's just Westminster village chatter.
 
ska invita said:
Agree with that, government reckons it can stare down the strikes it has the power to resolve, but the nurses strike is likely a massive overstretch of that power and dangerously (for them) contradicts public opinion... Thing is even if they do "u turn" and settle that strike, I don't think it changes anything regarding other strikes. I don't think "u turns" are "humiliating", that's just Westminster village chatter.
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Given how big the strike was outside the BRI the government may well be underestimating public support
 
ska invita said:
Agree with that, government reckons it can stare down the strikes it has the power to resolve, but the nurses strike is likely a massive overstretch of that power and dangerously (for them) contradicts public opinion... Thing is even if they do "u turn" and settle that strike, I don't think it changes anything regarding other strikes. I don't think "u turns" are "humiliating", that's just Westminster village chatter.
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Thing is they‘re on the record saying they want to privatize it for profit.

Here’s a book they wrote. Check the authors.

www.independent.co.uk

Jeremy Hunt co-authored book calling for NHS to be replaced with private insurance

'Direct Democracy: An Agenda For A New Model Party' called for the 'denationalisation' of the NHS
www.independent.co.uk www.independent.co.uk

Also they’ve already said it’s all about money. This article is 11 years old. Plan’s been a long time in the making….

www.theguardian.com

David Cameron's adviser says health reform is a chance to make big profits

Kitchen cabinet aide says charging improves service and NHS should be shown 'no mercy' in drive for reform
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com
 
Ming said:
Thing is they‘re on the record saying they want to privatize it for profit.

Here’s a book they wrote. Check the authors.

www.independent.co.uk

Jeremy Hunt co-authored book calling for NHS to be replaced with private insurance

'Direct Democracy: An Agenda For A New Model Party' called for the 'denationalisation' of the NHS
www.independent.co.uk www.independent.co.uk

Also they’ve already said it’s all about money. This article is 11 years old. Plan’s been a long time in the making….

www.theguardian.com

David Cameron's adviser says health reform is a chance to make big profits

Kitchen cabinet aide says charging improves service and NHS should be shown 'no mercy' in drive for reform
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com
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A pay rise today doesn't stop those plans.
I reckon they'll make a deal with the nurses, but not RMT
 
ska invita said:
A pay rise today doesn't stop those plans.
I reckon they'll make a deal with the nurses, but not RMT
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I’m sure they’ll divide to conquer and divide to rule. As they always do. The RMT isn’t the same as ASLEF (train drivers union) right? Train drivers are well paid (as they should be) because they have a strong militant union.

Being a nurse it was weird coming to Canada 10 years ago and having my pay doubled to frankly where it should be. I’m not on Brewsters but a wage that reflects my education and level of responsibility. Shock to the system after 5 years of post qualification acute work in the NHS. Nurses are well underpaid in England. I’d like to put a hedge fund manager on an acute psych unit for a 12 hour shift and then see if they still think their pay is commensurate.
 
ska invita said:
and so overworked. theres lots of jobs that shouldnt have such overlong shifts, but healthcare has got be up there near the top of the most dangerous to others
I wonder how hours compare in different countries
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We do 48 hour shifts here. Generally 2 *12 hr day shifts then 2*12 nights.

Pay's great but the hours are awful.
 
ska invita said:
A pay rise today doesn't stop those plans.
I reckon they'll make a deal with the nurses, but not RMT
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Aside from being able to interfere, the government doesn't directly deal with the unions regarding rail, does it? Being caught out interfering should have been destructive for them, but not in this fucked up media landscape of manufactured consent absent of critical thinking
 
If you can get past the £-wall (try c&ping the title and then google that) this FT article has some cracking, party colour-coded, graphs depicting austerity & health metrics.

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My experience of hospital after shattering my wrist was that there was an upstairs downstairs are you being served management culture in place. Nurses working their arses off whilst at night doctors were nicking blankets from stores to sleep their shifts off. Based on over heard snatches of conversation admittedly. Plus usual discipline problems where you have staff pissed off and underpaid. Some of the top performers who I got on with well appeared to be off their nut on opioids. It was a completely bizarre combination of some working at 150 percent and others on max slack. My personal experience in the past 5 months has been beyond exemplary but when I look at the wages earned by those involved it seems horrific. Fully support them 100 percent
 
The disjointed approach between local services, GP practices and hospital departments really got my goat. I'd been referred to hospital radiology for some scans by my GP. Then was reassigned to district nurses for leg dressings and wound management while they waited for the reports. Had to chase the reports after 12 weeks only to end up in a circle of hell between the hospital and the GP with neither one willing to try to sort things out. It took the senior district nurse to kick ass to get things sorted so that her colleagues could tailor what was required for my recovery.
Too many people with little empires to control and forgetting about the patient.
 
I’m going to throw this one in.

Look it’s fucking obvious the Tories have hated the NHS since 1948. It’s an example of socialism working well so we can’t have that.

Fuck things working if we can‘t make any money from it right?

I think they are going to destroy it as Bevan warned against.

Remember we are dealing with psychopaths.

A new breed of human being with no empathy, no compassion, no guilt, no shame,…basically brass necked arseholes in suits.
 
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