Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
You're not a mod so I'll ignore your impotent rage.
Any other idiots (like me) still smoking? This virus means time to stop & wld love mutual support.
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Orang Utan
Psychick Worrier Ov Geyoor
glass for me. Better taste, more satisfactory density of smoke, better high. Vapes are like half a shandy compared to the shot of spirit of a pipe or bong
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Orang Utan
Psychick Worrier Ov Geyoor
i'm not angry, just amused at your compulsion to have an opinion on everything even when you don't have a stake in the discussion
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
I rather think I do have a stake in the thread. Unless you know better of course
Orang Utan
Psychick Worrier Ov Geyoor
well you don't have a clue what you're talking about
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
I rather think I do. I've spent more than a decade periodically observing two friends using a vape for weed. They seem perfectly happy with it. You don't, but your experience isn't as general as you seem to think.
Orang Utan
Psychick Worrier Ov Geyoor
Neither is two friends you twerp
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Yeah, you might as well be snogging everyone in the room.
I did too, but I also smoked baccy back then. Double the jeopardy.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
I never said my vicarious experience general
Orang Utan
Psychick Worrier Ov Geyoor
Neither. did I about mine, but at least it was from actual experience. What a silly billy
Cid
Proper break this time
If you want to do it then it's the right time.
I only smoke baccy in spliffs, I can maybe have 4 or 5 on a heavy day, 1 on a lighter day. So I don't view my smoking as excessive.
In September I just stopped, no baccy and no weed, and if we'd never got any more weed I'd have been fine, I did stop for a few months twice last year ... But we do get more weed
I switched to vape for weed, certainly lungs feel much better than if I was on spliffs. Not something I want to stop at the moment as it’s been very helpful in reducing my alcohol intake.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Er mine is from experience too.
Grief...there are so many variables in these 'which is better' debates. I am not opposed to vapes but they are expensive and do require regular charging...so in general, being both lazy and cheap, lo-fi generally trumps gadgety things for me. The youngest likes nothing more than a huge bong while I have, over the course of a lifetime, meandered through sebsis, chillums (O that ghastly bit of rag we all had to use...including the hem of my (indian print, cheesecloth skirt), hot knives, pin and glass, buckets etc etc. Anyway, the actual smokeable substance has had a more profound effect on my enjoyment, rather than means of ingesting...but that might be because I am basically a cultureless clueless drug-addled (comma challenged) philistine. For sure, it is all wonderfully subjective.
I have to report a fairly sharp rise in consumption the last couple of days..
I have to report a fairly sharp rise in consumption the last couple of days..
muscovyduck
Good IT skills and food hygiene competent
I'm beginning to make a big dent in my vaping habit, wish I had one of those ones that tells you how many puffs you've had of it but oh well. Down to no nicotine in it and it's later in the day before I pick it up
good for you SasaferratoI'm about three years now, smoked for 50 years, stopped in 17 days. Lung cancer tends to give you the impetus for a rapid stop.I can honestly say that I don't miss it at all.
Patteran
A nowadays excuse
Worth a try. Hope it helps.
I use the dynavap to vape weed, it doesnt use a battery you just heat with a lighter or whatever till it clicks, then inhale. It is relatively cheap and pretty lo fi.
It is different to smoke still of course. But I got used to it and then started to prefer it, you can def taste the flavour better when you are not setting fire to it.
Vaping thc liquid/cartridges on the other hand seems an expensive poser thing, in this country at least.
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bimble
floofy
Update for sake of honesty and virtual peer pressure: i lost it on Wednesday (could blame stress but thats just an excuse) and am back on the wagon now.
Just watched a video posted by a woman younger and almost certainly healthier than me who is in intensive care somewhere in uk with this thing, air being pushed into her nostrils, she was saying please don't take any risks and put your cigarettes down now. That has helped.
Just watched a video posted by a woman younger and almost certainly healthier than me who is in intensive care somewhere in uk with this thing, air being pushed into her nostrils, she was saying please don't take any risks and put your cigarettes down now. That has helped.
muscovyduck
Good IT skills and food hygiene competent
I'm pretty much off the vape, the anxiety of it makes it really unpleasant. I have a stressful weekend ahead of me so I might cave again though
Proper Tidy
Arsed
Weirdly I've wanted to smoke more over last couple of weeks than I have for ages, keep having dreams where I'm smoking. Assume combo of heightened worry and greater boredom. Haven't smoked though.
dessiato
🇪🇸 my spirit is crying for leaving
One of the few shops allowed to be open here is the tobacconists. Although I’m tempted to have a smoke I’m staying clear. After all this time I’m not going back.
Apparently having had pneumonia and pleurisy I’m high risk if I get CV. Someone even suggested that having had malaria I’m at higher risk too. But I’ve no evidence that might be true.
To those of you giving up good luck. It is worth it. But the desire to smoke never goes away in my experience.
Apparently having had pneumonia and pleurisy I’m high risk if I get CV. Someone even suggested that having had malaria I’m at higher risk too. But I’ve no evidence that might be true.
To those of you giving up good luck. It is worth it. But the desire to smoke never goes away in my experience.
fucthest8
Cool people die horrible, preventable deaths.
Ah, yes, I should have said in my handy guide, the final piece of advice should be:
... and don't let failure stop you from trying again.
Took me about four goes I think, got it in the end.
If nicotine ends up having a marginal positive effect, it wouldn’t be the first condition for which the potential benefits of nicotine itself are massively outweighed by the negatives of the delivery mechanism. Nicotine is thought maybe to marginally help against Alzheimer’s (mediated by acetylcholine, IIRC), but smoking is a massive risk factor nonetheless for dementia of all kinds because of the impact it has on blood flow, amongst other things. So it’s not just about one effect of one element in isolation.No takers for exploring this angle? Its doing my head in! Heres another one:
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xes
F.O.A.D
I've read a few bits in the last weeks or so to suggest that ex smokers have higher ACE2 levels than smokers.Thanks. Now get ready for the confusing bit. Try searching for something like 'ACE2 downregulation nicotine'.
eg:
Chronic nicotine inhalation increases susceptibility to cardiovascular and pulmonary diseases through inhibition of local compensatory mechanisms
Nicotine is the addictive component of tobacco-derived products. Through binding to a family of nicotinic acetylcholine receptors (nAChRs), nicotine influences a diverse range of cellular mechanisms i...grantome.com
I've also read something that suggested that smokers were largely under represented in deaths in China. I'll try and dig it out tonight if I can find it again.
There's just so much contradictory information out there.
Do any of those lung detox products actually work?
tommers
Fuck it, it's fine.
Smoked for twenty years. Have stopped for about 11. Tried to stop lots of times but it only worked once I really wanted to. Before, when I stopped, I was doing it cos I thought I should or cos of money or whatever.
Once I lost patience with it and actually wanted to stop it was the easiest thing ever. Didn't have any cravings or anything. Just seems weird that I ever did it.
Doesn't really help cos you need to get to a stage where you stop pissing about. If you still really want to smoke then it's difficult.
Once I lost patience with it and actually wanted to stop it was the easiest thing ever. Didn't have any cravings or anything. Just seems weird that I ever did it.
Doesn't really help cos you need to get to a stage where you stop pissing about. If you still really want to smoke then it's difficult.
dessiato
🇪🇸 my spirit is crying for leaving
The last time I stopped I had pneumonia. It was surprisingly easy to give up. I just did. Although I still would like to smoke I know I really can’t because of what happened to start me again last time.
I’ve said it many times before here, that I’d stopped for 23 years. I always missed smoking but had stuck with it, until a friend brought me some hand made cigars from Cuba. I thought I could smoke just one or two and be in control of it. Within two weeks I was back to 20 a day. That lasted for 6 or 7 years till I stopped again.
maomao
普費斯
I think it can be different for everyone. I hated smoking for the last decade or so I was doing it. Would always turn down offers of cheap bulk tobacco because I was definitely giving up next week. Now I'm one of 'those' ex-smokers who can't abide the smell and tuts at people for smoking in the street. I don't really mind upsetting smokers though. Everyone should stop.
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