Anti austerity march...urb meet up?

[Orang Utan]

It could also be argued that it draws people away from those things.

Go on then

 

[Citizen66]

Go on then

?

 

[Pickman's model]

I didn't understand the post

i would like you to confirm your post of 0745, that demos allow people to let off steam and let the govt off the hook.

 

[cesare]

I didn't understand the post

It's in the State's best interests to allow people to demonstrate. It gives people the ability to let off steam thus avoiding the pressure cooker/revolutionary effect that suppressing demonstrations creates.

 

[Orang Utan]

i would like you to confirm your post of 0745, that demos allow people to let off steam and let the govt off the hook.

I agree with the former and am yet to be pwrsuaded of the latter.

 

[Orang Utan]

?

Make the argument

 

[Citizen66]

Go on then

You do know that the people's assembly / owen jones / russel brand will just say the answer is to 'vote labour' yes?

 

[Pickman's model]

I agree with the former and am yet to be pwrsuaded of the latter.

by letting people believe they"ve done their bit / made their point, demos forestall more radical action being take by most people. the govt can point at demos and say that's how you make your point in a democracy, not by eg invading raf fairford or assembling outside cabinet ministers' homes at 6am.

 

[Orang Utan]

You do know that the people's assembly / owen jones / russel brand will just say the answer is to 'vote labour' yes?

They'd be wrong then

 

[Roadkill]

by letting people believe they"ve done their bit / made their point, demos forestall more radical action being take by most people. the govt can point at demos and say that's how you make your point in a democracy, not by eg invading raf fairford or assembling outside cabinet ministers' homes at 6am.

Tbh I think the fact is that for most people taking 'more radical action' isn't an option, for a variety of reasons. Better they get out there and make a show of numbers than sit at home and do nothing at all IMO.

 

[Roadkill]

No. Existentialist wrote 'Peterlee' (grim new town in the North East) when he obviously meant 'Peterloo' (place in Manchester where something irrelevant happened 200 years ago). So I posted a picture of Peterlee by way of gentle mockery. It was just an attempt to inject some levity into what is an otherwise turgid thread full of middle class people indulging in virtue signalling.

I often think you get too easy a ride on here. The affable face of some thoroughly rancid political views.

 

[Pickman's model]

Tbh I think the fact is that for most people taking 'more radical action' isn't an option, for a variety of reasons. Better they get out there and make a show of numbers than sit at home and do nothing at all IMO.

frankly if people just sat at home and did nothing at all then the country would grind to a standstill and the demands would be capitulated.

 

[Pickman's model]

No. Existentialist wrote 'Peterlee' (grim new town in the North East) when he obviously meant 'Peterloo' (place in Manchester where something irrelevant happened 200 years ago). So I posted a picture of Peterlee by way of gentle mockery. It was just an attempt to inject some levity into what is an otherwise turgid thread full of middle class people indulging in virtue signalling.

it's just that sort of 'virtue signalling' by poking fun at peterlee than i find distasteful.

 

[ViolentPanda]

marches give people confidence. see my earlier post.

That's a good side-effect of a march, if/when it occurs, but it'd be a pretty poor raison de marcher. IMO the problem is that often organisers don't organise beyond parlaying march attendees into members, and that sometimes loses the point of what the march was about in the first place.

 

[Pickman's model]

That's a good side-effect of a march, if/when it occurs, but it'd be a pretty poor raison de marcher. IMO the problem is that often organisers don't organise beyond parlaying march attendees into members, and that sometimes loses the point of what the march was about in the first place.

yeh but nowadays there are speeches before the march telling you why you're about to parade through the streets, and speeches after the march telling you why you've just marched through the streets.

 

[Patteran]

An aside - 250,000 ish dismissed with a shrug & a bit of a sneer by the state & the press. If that was the far-right, it'd be a crisis. But the left? No relevance, no threat - & no perceived likelihood of demonstrations leading to further meaningful action. It's a bit dismal.

 

[Orang Utan]

Are the people pooh poohing demos saying they are a complete waste of time? That we shouldn't bother at all?

 

[Pickman's model]

Are the people pooh poohing demos saying they are a complete waste of time? That we shouldn't bother at all?

are they?

 

[Pickman's model]

An aside - 250,000 ish dismissed with a shrug & a bit of a sneer by the state & the press. If that was the far-right, it'd be a crisis. But the left? No relevance, no threat - & no perceived likelihood of demonstrations leading to further meaningful action. It's a bit dismal.

tbh they did dismiss the countryside alliance march, which was about 423,000 strong iirc. so it's not just 'left-wing' demos which are dismissed out of hand.

 

[ddraig]

Are the people pooh poohing demos saying they are a complete waste of time? That we shouldn't bother at all?

depends on what happens at the demo
don't think people are saying not to bother but how much effort goes and money into them and they are then ignored

do you think doing a march like the weekend a year is enough? every 6 months?

 

[Pickman's model]

depends on what happens at the demo
don't think people are saying not to bother but how much effort goes and money into them and they are then ignored

do you think doing a march like the weekend a year is enough? every 6 months?

every month?

 

[cesare]

Are the people pooh poohing demos saying they are a complete waste of time? That we shouldn't bother at all?

Do you think the march would have had an effect on the outcome of the GE if it had been held at the end of April?

 

[brogdale]

Here you go...all you taffy Church fanboys (& girls?)...

 

[ddraig]

every month?

keep the peoples assembly busy at least!

 

[Pickman's model]

Are the people pooh poohing demos saying they are a complete waste of time? That we shouldn't bother at all?

i ask again: are people pooh poohing demos saying they are a complete waste of time?

 

[Orang Utan]

are they?

That's what I'm inferring from the dismissive comments

 

[Orang Utan]

i ask again: are people pooh poohing demos saying they are a complete waste of time?

That's what I'm asking

 

[Pickman's model]

That's what I'm asking

& i'm asking if they're asking.

 

[Pickman's model]

That's what I'm inferring from the dismissive comments

so no one's actually said it, you're making it up.

 

[Orang Utan]

Do you think the march would have had an effect on the outcome of the GE if it had been held at the end of April?

Of course not. We're going round in circles, I think. I've already given the reasons people demonstrate several times.