Anti austerity march...urb meet up?

[Orang Utan]

What is a swappie please?

Somebody who makes placards, sells newspapers and turns a blind eye to rape

 

[marty21]

What is a swappie please?

Member of the SWP

 

[panpete]

I just looked up SWP and it said Socialist Workers Party.
I'm not a socialist but surely to contribute is better than nothing.
My little bit of money may go towards another march.
Also, Orang Utan, please tell me a bit more about them turning a blind eye to rape.

 

[Pickman's model]

Also, Orang Utan, please tell me a bit more about them turning a blind eye to rape.

a ton of stuff here https://www.google.co.uk/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=swp rape

 

[Orang Utan]

Look at the thread about them, panpete

 

[Pickman's model]

Member of the SWP

Selling out With Pleasure

 

[Pickman's model]

Look at the thread about them, panpete

link pls ftw

 

[Orang Utan]

link pls ftw

CBA

 

[Pickman's model]

CBA

(((panpete)))

 

[ddraig]

I just looked up SWP and it said Socialist Workers Party.
I'm not a socialist but surely to contribute is better than nothing.
My little bit of money may go towards another march.
Also, Orang Utan, please tell me a bit more about them turning a blind eye to rape.

again, well done for giving a shit where many don't
what do you think another march will achieve?
I would personally give money to a local grassroots campaign where you can see what they're spending it on and what they are doing

 

[ViolentPanda]

How do the local authorities massage the numbers downward, when all of these people have nowhere to go or sleep?
Some people hate sofa surfing or being tempory house guests in other peoples homes.

One tactic is to do a count when it's raining, so some people won't be rough-sleeping at their normal pitches, or to do a count at a shelter in the afternoon, rather than when the doors are closed for the night.
Westminster have a long history of getting their street-cleansers to hose down pitches just before a count is done, and even tried to get soup kitchens etc banned.

 

[nino_savatte]

OK. Do you think this march will get you closer to that?

So it's better to sit on your hands than to march. Is this what you're saying? You're not exactly offering any alternatives are you? It's as if to say "eat your shit sandwich, because that's all you're getting".

 

[Pickman's model]

OK. Do you think this march will get you closer to that?

you don't think we're further away from that laudable objective now, do you?

 

[Roadkill]

Walking north through central London after the rally, the reality of Cameron's Britain was there to see in the increasing number of 'luxury' shops and the increasing number of street homeless people. I'm not sure if anyone has posted about this on here, I'm sure they will have done, but has anyone else noted an apparent increase in the numbers sleeping out and begging? I've noticed the same in York and family in Manchester have said the same thing about there.

Yes, that's definitely the case here. All the fault of the beggars and rough sleepers themselves, of course, if you believe the police and local paper.

I'm tempted to include the city council in the above too, but tbf to them I don't recall any spokesman for them suggesting as much, and they've done a fair job of keeping the hostels and shelters open in the face of horrific funding cuts. Problem is, here as all over the country, they're not coping with the sheer scale of the crisis Cameron and his filthy scum government have created.

 

[Pickman's model]

Yes, that's definitely the case here. All the fault of the beggars and rough sleepers themselves, of course, if you believe the police and local paper.

I'm tempted to include the city council in the above too, but tbf to them I don't recall any spokesman for them suggesting this, and they've done a fair job of keeping the hostels and shelters open in the face of horrific funding cuts. Problem is, here as all over the country, they're not coping with the sheer scale of the crisis Cameron and his filthy scum government have created.

i saw on the news last night that apparently council funding's down 47% on 2010

it's a wonder there's any civil society left

 

[Roadkill]

i saw on the news last night that apparently council funding's down 47% on 2010

it's a wonder there's any civil society left

Depends where you are. I don't know what the percentages are, but the headline figures for the Labour-voting northern cities are staggering. To quote a figure I used on that thread in the Scotland forum (before you remind me ) the other day, Hull City Council has had its central government grant funding reduced by £278.94 per head between 2010 and 2016. As if that weren't bad enough, some councils in no-mark Tory commuter towns have seen virtually no cuts at all, or even small increases: Epsom and Ewell, for instance, has had its funding increased by £13.47 per head. It's tempting to say it's bonkers, but it's not: it's naked party politics, cynical to the last degree. No matter the suffering they cause and no matter the long-term economic damage they're doing (because what do places like Epsom contribute to the national economy, apart from being comfy dormitory towns for overpaid suits?), it's all about protecting the Tory party's electoral base. That's why services and infrastructure are visibly deteriorating in urban areas, whilst the Tory-voting shires aren't seeing any difference.

 

[phildwyer]

It is only one person shouting at Brand, afaics.

Looks like a right nutter too.

 

[marty21]

i saw on the news last night that apparently council funding's down 47% on 2010

it's a wonder there's any civil society left

Loads of job losses in the Public Sector since 2010 , no real job security as a result. Every year prior to budget setting you expect another round of redundancies.

 

[Pickman's model]

Loads of job losses in the Public Sector since 2010 , no real job security as a result. Every year prior to budget setting you expect another round of redundancies.

yeh i got mine in january

 

[marty21]

yeh i got mine in january

Shit , didn't realise

 

[Pickman's model]

Shit , didn't realise

they did give me money tho and i started a new job a week later

 

[Dan U]

Depends where you are. I don't know what the percentages are, but the headline figures for the Labour-voting northern cities are staggering. To quote a figure I used on that thread in the Scotland forum (before you remind me [emoji14] ) the other day, Hull City Council has had its central government grant funding reduced by £278.94 per head between 2010 and 2016. As if that weren't bad enough, some councils in no-mark Tory commuter towns have seen virtually no cuts at all, or even small increases: Epsom and Ewell, for instance, has had its funding increased by £13.47 per head. It's tempting to say it's bonkers, but it's not: it's naked party politics, cynical to the last degree. No matter the suffering they cause and no matter the long-term economic damage they're doing (because what do places like Epsom contribute to the national economy, apart from being comfy dormitory towns for overpaid suits?), it's all about protecting the Tory party's electoral base. That's why services and infrastructure are visibly deteriorating in urban areas, whilst the Tory-voting shires aren't seeing any difference.

First job of the coalition under Pickles was reviewing and reweighting the funding formula for local govt and reducing the impact of metrics like deprivation etc. As you observe that redistributed funding from deprived, urban and labour voting areas to the shires and more affluent urban councils.
The last funding round settlement is available as a spreadsheet somewhere (on phone atm) probably on dclg website and you can filter it by authority and the pattern continues. I suspect the next will be bleaker still.

Certainly where i work in adult social care we are braced for the cuts to continue.

What is interesting atm is the 'market' of private providers is currently gearing itself up in some quarters to mount significant legal challenge to fee setting arrangements for things like older people's care which could, if they win, effectively bankrupt individual social care budgets. It will be very interesting to see how that plays out. Their are many within social care on the local govt side who are very torn about this, they don't want to have to deal with this situation but it could lay bare exactly what the crisis is and where would central govt then go. Even the Tory led LGA is making wtf faces at the Central party as their self interest is being threatened.

 

[marty21]

they did give me money tho and i started a new job a week later

Happy ending !

 

[marty21]

First job of the coalition under Pickles was reviewing and reweighting the funding formula for local govt and reducing the impact of metrics like deprivation etc. As you observe that redistributed funding from deprived, urban and labour voting areas to the shires and more affluent urban councils.
The last funding round settlement is available as a spreadsheet somewhere (on phone atm) probably on dclg website and you can filter it by authority and the pattern continues. I suspect the next will be bleaker still.

Certainly where i work in adult social care we are braced for the cuts to continue.

What is interesting atm is the 'market' of private providers is currently gearing itself up in some quarters to mount significant legal challenge to fee setting arrangements for things like older people's care which could, if they win, effectively bankrupt individual social care budgets. It will be very interesting to see how that plays out. Their are many within social care on the local govt side who are very torn about this, they don't want to have to deal with this situation but it could lay bare exactly what the crisis is and where would central govt then go. Even the Tory led LGA is making wtf faces at the Central party as their self interest is being threatened.

Where I work they just got rid of 1/3 of the Supported Housing Team , 16 jobs went. That will impact on the support given to vulnerable tenants , and it isn't simply about the job losses , several very experienced people left too and that is a resource impossible to replace immediately.

 

[Roadkill]

First job of the coalition under Pickles was reviewing and reweighting the funding formula for local govt and reducing the impact of metrics like deprivation etc. As you observe that redistributed funding from deprived, urban and labour voting areas to the shires and more affluent urban councils.
The last funding round settlement is available as a spreadsheet somewhere (on phone atm) probably on dclg website and you can filter it by authority and the pattern continues. I suspect the next will be bleaker still.

Certainly where i work in adult social care we are braced for the cuts to continue.

What is interesting atm is the 'market' of private providers is currently gearing itself up in some quarters to mount significant legal challenge to fee setting arrangements for things like older people's care which could, if they win, effectively bankrupt individual social care budgets. It will be very interesting to see how that plays out. Their are many within social care on the local govt side who are very torn about this, they don't want to have to deal with this situation but it could lay bare exactly what the crisis is and where would central govt then go. Even the Tory led LGA is making wtf faces at the Central party as their self interest is being threatened.

I won't 'like' this under the circumstances, but good post.

I can't see the LGA doing any more than making disapproving noises, though. In the end, it's the Tories leading it and with a few exceptions councils in Tory-voting areas haven't had the worst of it.

 

[Pickman's model]

I won't 'like' this under the circumstances, but good post.

I can't see the LGA doing any more than making disapproving noises, though. In the end, it's the Tories leading it and with a few exceptions councils in Tory-voting areas haven't had the worst of it.

if you won't like it then i will

 

[Dan U]

I won't 'like' this under the circumstances, but good post.

I can't see the LGA doing any more than making disapproving noises, though. In the end, it's the Tories leading it and with a few exceptions councils in Tory-voting areas haven't had the worst of it.

I could name you quite a few Tory led authorities where, if some of the background activity being played out by the market and purchasing authorities came to pass, would be in serious trouble which would threaten lots of local political careers.

I think we are entering unintentioned consequences territory in some sectors of social care. The private market is gearing up for a serious fight with its paymasters.

 

[Roadkill]

I could name you quite a few Tory led authorities where, if some of the background activity being played out by the market and purchasing authorities came to pass, would be in serious trouble which would threaten lots of local political careers.

I think we are entering unintentioned consequences territory in some sectors of social care. The private market is gearing up for a serious fight with its paymasters.

Tories unintentionally fucking themselves over would be funny, if the consequences for those who need the services - and everything else local government does - weren't so awful. Don't suppose you could point me in the direction of somewhere I can read up a bit on this? I'm dimly aware there's a battle over it to come, but know little more than that!

 

[Dan U]

If anyone is interested the provisional assessments are here am on phone so can't check spreadsheet so apols if wrong link.

If it's what I hope it is there is a drop down by authority.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publi...al-government-finance-settlement-2015-to-2016

Apols if not.

 

[Dan U]

Tories unintentionally fucking themselves over would be funny, if the consequences for those who need the services - and everything else local government does - weren't so awful. Don't suppose you could point me in the direction of somewhere I can read up a bit on this? I'm dimly aware there's a battle over it to come, but know little more than that!

I can't at the moment, but let's say FOI requests and moves to judicial review on decision making are in hand by some large players in the sector

Once anything is public, I will post it.

Ftr I don't sit on the provider side of the fence [emoji1]