Anti austerity march...urb meet up?

[oryx]

Walking north through central London after the rally, the reality of Cameron's Britain was there to see in the increasing number of 'luxury' shops and the increasing number of street homeless people. I'm not sure if anyone has posted about this on here, I'm sure they will have done, but has anyone else noted an apparent increase in the numbers sleeping out and begging? I've noticed the same in York and family in Manchester have said the same thing about there.

 

[panpete]

This cannot have been accidental. I think they are thoroughly enjoying rubbing people's noses in their powerlessness.

Which is a great game, all the while it lasts. But I do fear that this government will, wilfully or through sheer arrogance, push people more and more quickly to the edge, to the place where they really do have nothing left to lose. And the backlash from that will be violent, and frightening - it just cannot be otherwise. That's not me rejoicing in the prospect, just acknowledging that that is what happens every time a government pushes too far - from Peterlee to Poll Tax riots, it's been the same.

All we probably need right about now is a hot summer. I reckon an August heatwave will see things begin to kick off.

Gerald Celente https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerald_Celente said "When people have got nothing left to lose, they lose it"
This Corporate Beast is global, we are living in unprecented times.
I didn't want to say this before the election, in case I gave people stupid ideas, but for months or more, I always thought that if the tories got in again, there would be civil unrest in the UK.
As the Corporate Beast is global, maybe all like minded people who are awake enough need to unite globally somehow?

 

[panpete]

what was that song the labour party loved so much in the late 90s?

hahahhhha D-Ream "Things can only get better" lalalalalla ♪ ♫ - they have a sick sense of humour.

 

[shifting gears]

I know you've got a hard-on for physical direct action, but you should acknowledge that people who do this are (and have always been) a minority, and that's all to the good in terms of long-term strategy and sound tactics.
I'm sure it'd make great TV to have had angry hordes rampaging along Whitehall, or mass pissing up the walls of the Bank of England, but it wouldn't have achieved anything for us. What will achieve things for us is attacking carefully-chosen targets with the best weapons we have, whether they be physical or intellectual. The fewer reasons we give the Home Secretary to start banning protests, the better the momentum required to build a long-term federation of interests can be kept up.

You seem to be mistaking running riot with founding a "vaguely radical street movement".

The only hard on I've got is the one I'll wake up with in the morning mate.
Maybe you should've read this:

Let's just say that if a fraction of the amount of people who were mobilised today were prepared to take some well organised action against carefully targeted organisations... That would be a start.

Before you quoted me, as that would've given some context.

 

[gimesumtruf]

Andy Burnham was questioned on Sky this morning and was asked why he didn't go on the march, he looked uncomfortable and said he was at the hustings, the reporter said well J Corbyn made it.
I had do something so I missed what may have been an interesting time for Mr B, just wondered if anyone saw it and what happened?
Looks like the Tories will play the M.Foot and red dinasaur cards against J.Corbyn, in the unlikely event he wins the leadership he'll need a thick skin. I heard him speak at the march (on line), he's quite feisty isn't he.?

 

[DownwardDog]

from Peterlee to Poll Tax riots, it's been the same.

Nobody should have to live like this.

 

[DotCommunist]

The only hard on I've got is the one I'll wake up with in the morning mate.

just what I need at 8 am, the thought of your raging diamond cutter, really makes the shreddies go down well.

 

[ddraig]

panpete great post but please please don't waste your money on the people's assembly, they just print leaflets, have meetings (some they charge for!) and A to B marches, they don't actually do anything

 

[Orang Utan]

panpete great post but please please don't waste your money on the people's assembly, they just print leaflets, have meetings (some they charge for!) and A to B marches, they don't actually do anything

So they do do something. Why is it a waste of money? Surely it's up to panpete how she spends her money?

 

[ddraig]

what are they doing?
they charged £5 to go to a meeting with Owen Jones in Cardiff and are non democratic, usual self appointed leaders (swappies or ex swappies) patting each other on the back for marching A to B or even A to A!
of course it is up to pp how they spend their money, that's why i said please not 'don't' or 'you' shouldn't'

will you give me some money to print some leaflets saying 'down with this sort of thing'?

 

[Orang Utan]

They organised the march. That was worth doing. So regardless of the faction they belong to, they at least deserve some credit for that.

 

[ddraig]

and then what? network and get all those people fired up, good, for what?
why should people who are struggling themselves fund these things?

 

[Orang Utan]

Organising a demo is an end in itself. Fair play to the. I wouldn't fund them myself, but if panpete wants to then good for her.

 

[osterberg]

what are they doing?
they charged £5 to go to a meeting with Owen Jones in Cardiff and are non democratic, usual self appointed leaders (swappies or ex swappies) patting each other on the back for marching A to B or even A to A!
of course it is up to pp how they spend their money, that's why i said please not 'don't' or 'you' shouldn't'

will you give me some money to print some leaflets saying 'down with this sort of thing'?

As a swappie I can honestly swear I had nothing to do with organising that meeting and charging a fiver was daft .
It tends to be a collective of arty and cultural types in Cardiff PA . To be fair they organised 5 full buses to Saturday's demo .

 

[ViolentPanda]

Walking north through central London after the rally, the reality of Cameron's Britain was there to see in the increasing number of 'luxury' shops and the increasing number of street homeless people. I'm not sure if anyone has posted about this on here, I'm sure they will have done, but has anyone else noted an apparent increase in the numbers sleeping out and begging? I've noticed the same in York and family in Manchester have said the same thing about there.

The numbers of rough sleepers has climbed, even though local authorities do their best to massage the numbers downward. There'll be another surge of young homeless after the next round of benefit cuts on under-25s too. Fucking murderous.

 

[ViolentPanda]

As a swappie...

Burn the witch!!!

 

[osterberg]

Burn the witch!!!

 

[Pickman's model]

Burn the witch!!!

i tend more towards what happened to giles corey.

 

[Pickman's model]

Organising a demo is an end in itself. Fair play to the. I wouldn't fund them myself, but if panpete wants to then good for her.

no, it isn't. organisaing a demo is only part of a campaign. it is not an end in itself. not unless you're really pisspoor at campaigning.

 

[ddraig]

As a swappie I can honestly swear I had nothing to do with organising that meeting and charging a fiver was daft .
It tends to be a collective of arty and cultural types in Cardiff PA . To be fair they organised 5 full buses to Saturday's demo .

arty and cultural types?? lol
dictators and wanna be spin doctors/politicians
unelected leaders, comments deleted, denial, banning of any dissenters, secret meetings of the upper echelons and them knowing what's good for everyone. also lauding direct action in other places and countries but very keen on not rocking the boat here.
and finally, wanting to march with police as they are 'just people like you and me'

why are you still a swappie, is rape and subsequent attempted cover up fine with you?

 

[Pickman's model]

As a swappie I can honestly swear I had nothing to do with organising that meeting and charging a fiver was daft .
It tends to be a collective of arty and cultural types in Cardiff PA . To be fair they organised 5 full buses to Saturday's demo .

you had nothing to do with that. fair enough. but what have you had something to do with?

 

[ddraig]

As a swappie I can honestly swear I had nothing to do with organising that meeting and charging a fiver was daft .
It tends to be a collective of arty and cultural types in Cardiff PA . To be fair they organised 5 full buses to Saturday's demo .

they may have organised 5 buses, which they'll dine out on for months and have a good old circle jerk about but they couldn't sort out even a carfull of stuff for the homeless, shameful with the amount of members

 

[ViolentPanda]

i tend more towards what happened to giles corey.

Bit of a waste of effort for Swappies, though, all that squashing.

 

[Pickman's model]

Bit of a waste of effort for Swappies, though, all that squashing.

yeh but you'd only need to do it once or twice pour encourager les autres

 

[Pickman's model]

they may have organised 5 buses, which they'll dine out on for months and have a good old circle jerk about but they couldn't sort out even a carfull of stuff for the homeless, shameful with the amount of members

rot. didn't they leave fuel for fires from bank to parliament square?

 

[ViolentPanda]

no, it isn't. organisaing a demo is only part of a campaign. it is not an end in itself. not unless you're really pisspoor at campaigning.

Unfortunately there is a perception that a demo is an end in and of itself, rather than being a means toward an end.

 

[Pickman's model]

Unfortunately there is a perception that a demo is an end in and of itself, rather than being a means toward an end.

which is why there is often such a lamentable decline in attendance between the first and second demonstration: e.g. 15/2/03 & 22/3/03

 

[ViolentPanda]

yeh but you'd only need to do it once or twice pour encourager les autres

Maybe start with Comrade Delta and his collection of Fred Perrys.

 

[andysays]

Organising a demo is an end in itself. Fair play to the. I wouldn't fund them myself, but if panpete wants to then good for her.

No, it really isn't, same as flogging a paper or getting people to come to meetings aren't ends in themselves, they're all only useful as part of wider activity or a larger campaign.

The fact that organising a demo can be and is seen as an end in itself, and that it consumes so much potentially useful energy most of which is disipated by the time the attendees have got home to watch themselves on TV, unfortunately demonstrates the lack of imagination which the organisers of left bubble activities have.

(none of this is a criticism of those who went on the demo on Saturday...)

 

[osterberg]

Christ all I did was try to say that it wasn't the swp that organised the Cardiff meeting or runs the Cardiff PA . That's the arty types (non-swp) people I talked about among others . Jeez .