Amanda Knox Is Innocent

[ShakespearO]

The overnight interrogation was planned by the cops to specifically to coerce Amanda Knox into implicating Lumumba. Hence 12 cops in teams of 2 took one hour turns at her to keep her awake, tired, thirsty, and hungry. They wouldn't let her go to the loo even though it was her time of the month. They needed to get her that night because they knew her mother was arriving the next day.

Once she had implicated Lumumba the interrogation stopped.

 

[The Pale King]

The overnight interrogation was planned by the cops to specifically to coerce Amanda Knox into implicating Lumumba. Hence 12 cops in teams of 2 took one hour turns at her to keep her awake, tired, thirsty, and hungry. They wouldn't let her go to the loo even though it was her time of the month. They needed to get her that night because they knew her mother was arriving the next day.

Once she had implicated Lumumba the interrogation stopped.

I think this is all wrong, ShakespearO.

From the wiki, quoting Knox's own testimony:

Despite being incorrect on multiple facts the allegation that the police orchestrated this intentionally is contradicted by Amanda's own testimony.

LG: All right, I've exhausted this topic. Now, I said we were just coming to the evening when you were called in, or rather when Raffaele was called in to the Questura on Nov 5. Where did you come from? Were you having dinner somewhere? Do you remember?AK: We were at the apartment of a friend of his, who lived near his house, and we were having dinner with them, trying, I don't know, to feel a bit of normality, when Raffaele was called by the police.LG: Okay. So you went with him in the car, and you came in and they settled you somewhere, and later you were heard.

AK: Yes. What happened is that they weren't expecting me to come. I went somewhere a bit outside near the elevator, and I had taken my homework with me, so I started to do my homework, and then I needed to do some "stretching", so I did some "stretching", and that's when one policeman said something about my flexibility. A comment.[36]
Knox repeats this again.

CP: For what reason did you go to the Questura on November 5? Were you called?

AK: No, I wasn't called. I went with Raffaele because I didn't want to be alone


...So how did the police plan it if they were not expecting her to be there? http://themurderofmeredithkercher.com/Amanda_Knox's_Confession

If 12 cops in teams of two took one hour shifts to keep her awake, it must have been the easiest hour's work they ever did, because she was only asked to answer a few questions (as a witness) because Sollecito had just said she went out the night of the murder and had asked him to lie for her. The interpreter arrived at 12.30, she gave her statement at 1.45 am. So...an hour and a quarter? How many teams of cops would keeping her awake that long require?

On food and water, the wiki says this,

Knox was at the police station at 10:40pm because Raffaele delayed coming to the police station until he had finished dinner with his friends. The interrogation took two hours and happened late at night; offering food under such conditions would be strange. Despite this Amanda Knox was given water, chamomile tea, and stuff from the vending machine.[32] When the cafeteria opened Knox was taken to have breakfast.[33] Police officer Lorena Zugarini testified that she offered Amanda Knox a french pastry.[34] In Knox's own letters to her lawyers, written a few days later, she made no mention of being denied food and water.

http://themurderofmeredithkercher.com/Amanda_Knox's_Confession​

 

[ShakespearO]

I think this is all wrong, ShakespearO.

From the wiki,

http://themurderofmeredithkercher.com/Amanda_Knox's_Confession​

.... and hence - to a newcomer - Pale King appears like an impartial individual quoting objective facts - cool!

You and I both know where we are coming from on this. I'm not going to waste stacks of time trying to point out the falehoods put forward by the guilters, so let's agree to disagree.

However, for the benefit of anyone who has not followed the case and has just stumbled on this thread I suggest they look at the site Pale King quotes from as well as http://www.injusticeinperugia.org/ and http://www.gmancasefile.com/ and http://murderofmeredithkercher.com/ (there are links to original crime scene documents but the gruesome stuff is blanked out, although the loss and the sadness of the case really struck me when I saw Meredith's shoes).

Consider whether statements are backed up by hard evidence, the detail of the evidence provided by each side, and the wider context of each piece of evidence - and then make up your own minds.

 

[Barking_Mad]

Interesting interview with Raffaele Sollecito.

 

[Barking_Mad]

Longer one here:

 

[Joe Reilly]

.... and hence - to a newcomer - Pale King appears like an impartial individual quoting objective facts - cool!

You and I both know where we are coming from on this. I'm not going to waste stacks of time trying to point out the falehoods put forward by the guilters, so let's agree to disagree.

However, for the benefit of anyone who has not followed the case and has just stumbled on this thread I suggest they look at the site Pale King quotes from as well as http://www.injusticeinperugia.org/ and http://www.gmancasefile.com/ and http://murderofmeredithkercher.com/ (there are links to original crime scene documents but the gruesome stuff is blanked out, although the loss and the sadness of the case really struck me when I saw Meredith's shoes).

Consider whether statements are backed up by hard evidence, the detail of the evidence provided by each side, and the wider context of each piece of evidence - and then make up your own minds.

They thing with the 'Knox is guilty' advocates is a) they have never been interrogated so don't understand why a middle class girl from Seattle would instantly buckle under pressure, and say anything and everything to please police just to get out. Which funnily enough is precisely what they themselves would probably do in similar circumstances.

Secondly they stand by their statements even, or especially when refuted by evidence, because they don't see themselves in a discussion in pursuit of the truth.

On the contrary they regard themselves as partisans in a propaganda war between, as they see it, rival camps.

Or to put it another way, they really think it matters that they stick to their story ('screenplay' is a better word for it), out of loyalty to 'Meredith''s memory'.

 

[The Pale King]

...should all confessions obtained under interrogation be regarded as unsound? Or only those of 'middle class girls from Seattle'?

...And it was Sollecito who buckled under pressure - if he had not said she went out that night and didn't stay in his flat, she would never even have been questioned that evening.

 

[Anudder Oik]

And they're back with more.

Amanda Knox ‘phone, sex and cash links to Italian cocaine dealer’ to be used against her in extradition bid

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...d-against-her-in-extradition-bid-9582407.html

Police in the Italian city ... have reportedly already convicted one man for dealing cocaine based on information from the American’s phone. They say that details from Knox’s file show she had phone conversations with a known drug dealer before and after Ms Kercher’s death, was getting through cash at an alarmingly fast rate and had an alleged “relationship of a sexual nature” with the supplier.

This new turn of events, ie, Knox's links to a drug dealer, obviously needs to be proved. Would the Italian Police need to add something like this in order to get an extradition? Surely the extradition stands on the sentencing so far. What'smore, has this dealer been eliminated as a suspect for the murder?

Oh, and Sollecito has withdrawn her alibi for the time of the murder...again.

Also, Knox's parents face felony charges for slander and libel. The trial against them was on Monday and relocated to Florence.

 

[savoloysam]

Interesting developments. I wonder how the US will react to the request.

 

[The Pale King]

Interesting indeed...

It has long been known that a cocaine dealer’s phone number was found on Knox’s cell phone shortly after the murder. Now sources reveal that Knox called this cocaine dealer numerous times in the days leading up to the murder and the days following Meredith’s demise.

A source close to Knox also provided detailed bank statement information. The statements show that Knox withdrew excessive amounts of cash from ATMs in the two months prior to her roommate’s killing. In the month of September 2007, Amanda withdrew $2,452.60 and in October she took out $1,637.25 in cash. Amanda’s rent was only $300 per month. The amount she withdrew far exceeds the cost of living expenses; instead they provide proof, along with cell phone records, of a potentially expensive drug habit.

...from http://www.examiner.com/article/did-cocaine-use-lead-amanda-knox-to-murder-meredith-kercher

 

[DotCommunist]

Interesting developments. I wonder how the US will react to the request.

with guffaws, hilarity and sniggers

 

[Wilf]

My best, ill informed, guess is that she was involved and/or guilty, but this is getting to the point of farce.

 

[DotCommunist]

I think that point has long been reached, nay passed. The three ring circus of a trial put that ship to sail

 

[Miss Caphat]

a) that's hardly an excessive amount of money, especially for someone who is living in a foreign country and would be needing to buy lots of incidentals and things for daily living, plus being a sort of tourist and going out a lot. I figure that's about what I would spend as a student/ tourist if I could afford it! (and I don't even do drugs)
Beyond that, those amounts average out to about $24,534 per year (the equivalent of $12 per hour @ 40 hours a week) were she to continue withdrawing cash at that pace. Not really much to be alarmed about, imo.

b) most drug dealers deal more than 1 type of drug, no?

seems like the same old grasping at straws to me

 

[albionism]

Don't we all have a drug dealer's phone number?

 

[cesare]

Don't we all have a drug dealer's phone number?

No

 

[gabi]

I do. So would everyone I know, fucking hell.

She liked a line. She was 21. She's clearly a psychopathic murderer.

Surely given Italy's problems they should just give up on this one. Must be costing a small fortune.

 

[Citizen66]

Interesting indeed...

The statements show that Knox withdrew excessive amounts of cash from ATMs in the two months prior to her roommate’s killing. In the month of September 2007, Amanda withdrew $2,452.60 and in October she took out $1,637.25 in cash. Amanda’s rent was only $300 per month. The amount she withdrew far exceeds the cost of living expenses; instead they provide proof, along with cell phone records, of a potentially expensive drug habit.

$1000 (what's that, £600?) a month does not signify a coke 'habit'. If she was spending that a week then you're getting close to the postcode.

 

[Giles]

The Italian justice system has proved itself to be a bunch of incompetent fools over this.

They may as well give up. They've had all these "new trials" each one of which seems to feature totally different "evidence" that I cannot take them seriously any more.

And all the forensic stuff was dodgy from the off, due to how they let evidence get contaminated.

 

[Anudder Oik]

Fifty Of The Most Common Myths Still Promoted Without Legal Restraint By The Knox PR Campaign

http://truejustice.org/ee/index.php

I post this because in post 1891, on this very page, there is yet again a repetition of myth, namely about Knox's interrogation. The needle is stuck. In fact, I would go as far to say that the poster, who must have read all the transcripts of the case, and must therefore know the case sufficiently, is knowingly lying by stating a proven falsehood.

Once on website press ctrl + F, then search "50"

 

[Citizen66]

Fifty Of The Most Common Myths Still Promoted Without Legal Restraint By The Knox PR Campaign

http://truejustice.org/ee/index.php

I post this because in post 1891, on this very page, there is yet again a repetition of myth, namely about Knox's interrogation. The needle is stuck. In fact, I would go as far to say that the poster, who must have read all the transcripts of the case, and must therefore know the case sufficiently, is knowingly lying by stating a proven falsehood.

Once on website press ctrl + F, then search "50"

There's no results for "50" and there's four results for 50

Can you be more specific?

 

[Anudder Oik]

There's no results for "50" and there's four results for 50

Can you be more specific?

Go to website, do a Control + F search - paste this in the box - Fifty Of The Most Common Myths - and Bob's your uncle.

 

[Anudder Oik]

Interesting power point that goes over the basics of the case.

http://truejustice.org/perugia/powerpoints/Kermit14WithJamesRaperOnEvidence.pps

 

[ShakespearO]

Interesting power point that goes over the basics of the case.

I do admire the sense of humour in putting this powerpoint together!

I didn't look at it all as life is too short to waste it on such nonsense but the "Gilroy not here" bit about a lack of Rudy's DNA in Filomena's room indicating he didn't break in there was really droll - and contrasted with how the Guilters conveniently overlook the total absence of anything linking Amanda Knox to the crime scene (as would be expected in a violent struggle) and only a small trace of Raphael Solicito's DNA on a dodgily-collected bra clasp.

 

[The Pale King]

I do admire the sense of humour in putting this powerpoint together!

I didn't look at it all as life is too short to waste it on such nonsense but the "Gilroy not here" bit about a lack of Rudy's DNA in Filomena's room indicating he didn't break in there was really droll - and contrasted with how the Guilters conveniently overlook the total absence of anything linking Amanda Knox to the crime scene (as would be expected in a violent struggle) and only a small trace of Raphael Solicito's DNA on a dodgily-collected bra clasp.

The crime scene is the house. Are you saying there was no trace of her in the house? That is demonstrably untrue, and surely impossible of she was living there.

 

[Anudder Oik]

I do admire the sense of humour in putting this powerpoint together!

I didn't look at it all as life is too short to waste it on such nonsense but the "Gilroy not here" bit about a lack of Rudy's DNA in Filomena's room indicating he didn't break in there was really droll - and contrasted with how the Guilters conveniently overlook the total absence of anything linking Amanda Knox to the crime scene (as would be expected in a violent struggle) and only a small trace of Raphael Solicito's DNA on a dodgily-collected bra clasp.

Quite the contrary.

You can't be arsed to look at evidence but you come on here and on this page alone you write 2 erroneous statements that can be proved wrong in an instant. You are either ignorant of the facts or a knowing liar.

Amanda's DNA was found mixed with the victim's blood in the very room you mention.

Can you explain away the "staged" break in, please?

So far, no one, who "believes" in their innocence, has actually coherently engaged with this or any of the other evidence.

Amanda being "pretty" or "american" is not a defence and believe it or not, the italian justice system is nothing like that of Iran.

I must say that on this thread there has been "no" debate on evidence and a lot of trolling. The people who claim they are innocent have simply not been able to come up with anything convincing.

 

[Belushi]

Italy's highest court has ruled that both Sollecito and Knox are innocent http://www.theguardian.com/world/20...-amanda-knox-and-raffaele-sollecito-acquitted

 

[Giles]

Amen

 

[Doctor Carrot]

Still non the wiser as to what happened that night but I think this is the right decision as there was too much reasonable doubt to convict them.

 

[Doctor Carrot]

Check out the breathtaking arrogance and hypocrisy from the author of 'Murder in Italy' though:

“I’m very pleased and very surprised. Usually I’m an optimist, but I was sure this was going against them. I think it’s a brilliant move by Italy. They’ve averted a diplomatic crisis that no one needed. I couldn’t be happier that two innocent people are going free.

“I never thought when I wrote my book that this would happen. I’m so happy.”

Dempsey is also hopeful that the online abuse she said she has suffered from those who insisted Knox was guilty will come to an end. “I just hope the ‘guilters’ can go home now, and this tragic saga will be over at last,” she said. “It’s made me an admirer of Italian justice.”

So extraditing a convicted murderer (if Knox's conviction had been upheld) constitutes a diplomatic crisis? Odd.

She's only an admirer of Italian justice because it gave the verdict she wanted. She was panning it before this. How anyone can admire it after this shambles is beyond me, regardless of the outcome.