Joe Reilly
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What a crock of shit.
Amanda Knox Is Innocent
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What a crock of shit.
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
Great response Joe. But they are the facts. Facts you ignore. In (perhaps fairly) defending Knox (tho not a single mention of Sollecito in your posts, I wonder why?) you have simply quoted the rich American's case, without regard for whether it is true or not.
Guede has not had his sentence halved, nor did he change his story to get a reduction, the Kerchers made no intervention that got his sentence reduced. Those are, utterly indisputable, facts.
Doctor Carrot
Marxist Henchman
Yes they've already got the darkie so case closed eh? Nobody else involved...
Yes Foxy Knoxy can do no wrong in Joe's eyes. So you're happy to go along with the overturned conviction and how wonderful Italian justice is, but damn it to hell when it upholds your beloved Amanda's conviction for slander. You wouldn't be a massive hypocrite would you, Joe?
I doubt she will.
'They went along with the carnival' yeah because trying to find out who murdered your daughter is a real fucking carnival isn't it? I guess they were 'guilters' bent on ruining the life of your beloved Amanda... and that other bloke. The notion they somehow played a role in getting two people convicted/overturned/convicted and overturned again is pretty grotesque in itself. Don't worry about Amanda, Joe she may have spent 4 years in prison (1 of which was unwarranted) but she'll make a few million off books, films etc. I'd do a year in a foreign nick for a few million.
Doctor Carrot
Marxist Henchman
Joe Reilly
Well-Known Member
His sentence was reduced on appeal from 30 to 24. Then a third off. Which brought it down to 16. He did change his story. Many times. Implicating Knox along the way. He has already been on work release. Where is the hue and cry?
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
His 30 years was only 20, because of the fast track. The reduction was to make it the same as Knox & Sollecito's. He's on work release because that is what happens after you've served the relevant part of your sentence - which is as it should be. he changed his story no more than Knox did.
Knox is appealing what? She got her sentence for "calunnia" and was lucky it was so light in the circumstances, she should have got 12 years for trying to frame up the Congolese man.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calunnia
Just like when the American pilot killed those cable car passengers Italian justice as usual rolls over for the US. Camp Darby stuffed full of nuclear warheads, Comiso with Cruise missiles, atomic mines built into the Italian north east back in the day... The list is never ending, the influence remains plain evil.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calunnia
Just like when the American pilot killed those cable car passengers Italian justice as usual rolls over for the US. Camp Darby stuffed full of nuclear warheads, Comiso with Cruise missiles, atomic mines built into the Italian north east back in the day... The list is never ending, the influence remains plain evil.
Joe Reilly
Well-Known Member
Leaving aside that your wrong on some details on the Guede sentencing in much the same way as you've been wrong on everything else from the very beginning Knox and Sollecitto ended up with a combined total of 53 and half years. 28 and half and 25 respectively. How does a 16 year sentence make it the 'same as Knox and Solleccitto'. He also implicated, Knox belatedly, in another obvious quid pro quo. Something she never did.
So the guy that had no choice but to plead guilty to the grisly murder due to weight of evidence is already out and about a year before the other two who had nothing to do with it, are acquitted "which is as it should be" according to you. How fucked up is that? Where is the concern for 'poor Meredith'? Where are the protests from the Kerchers?
Joe Reilly
Well-Known Member
Don't be a prick all your life.
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
His lower sentence was due to him getting a third off for the fast track, as stated repeatedly.
And he isn't 'out,' he is eligible for day release. He certainly wasn't 'out' a year ago, as you've just claimed. Stop making shit up, and stop wanking over Amanda Knox.
Of all the miscarriage of justices in the world, funny how sad, middle aged, men are most concerned about this one, eh?
Joe Reilly
Well-Known Member
It is entirely consistent in the twisted narrative of the 'guilters' that those who correctly stood against a blindingly obvious miscarriage of justice who are dismissed as sexually motivated oddballs, by a bunch fanatics who wanted to see Knox and boyfriend metaphorically hung, for something they patently didn't do.
And maybe not only metaphorically.
Simple arithmetic this: a third off 30 years would leave him with 20 years. Not 16.
Joe Reilly
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Joe Reilly
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Ironically the basis for her appeal is contained in the link you supplied. She didn't walk into a cop shop and falsely accusse 'the Congolese man'. He was offered up to her by the plod during interrogation. Moreover she didn't say he was there when she knew he was innocent. As she wasn't there, he might well have been, for all she knew. After all the police were convinced they had their man. Who was she to argue in the circumstances.
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
Are you actually this stupid, or being deliberately dishonest? I said repeatedly, that he got a third off his original sentence of thirty years, to take it down to twenty, and then, after Sollecito (remember him?) and Knox's conviction, it was further reduced to equal there's LESS time off for the fast track. It really is very, very, simple. unless you choose not to understand.
Jesus.
Sasaferrato
Super Refuser!
All I can say of the recent judgement, is that her conviction was not upheld.
Doctor Carrot
Marxist Henchman
Sexually motivated? No. Weirdly obsessed to the point of being wilfully blind to what people are actually saying to you? Weirdly only focussing on one person in the whole episode who happens to be an attractive young woman and only mentioning the bloke when your weird obsession is pointed out? Insisting everyone who doesn't go along with everything you say is a 'guilter,' a word that perpetuates the whole grotesque carnival that you yourself hypocritically decry? Yes.
Joe Reilly
Well-Known Member
You've been on the wrong side of this from the start. And even now you are still struggling to adjust to reality. Throwing around, "weirdly obsessed" and "willfully blind" dosen't alter the fact that your instinct on this was entirely wrong. The arguments you repeated ad nauseam over the years were either completely irrelevant or utterly bogus. Your credibility on this issue is less than zero. And yet here you still are. Unable to let it go.
Doctor Carrot
Marxist Henchman
Eurgh, you're either completely and utterly dense or you're on a wind up. Judging by the inane, head up your arse witterings you've uttered on this thread Ifear it's the former. Arguments I repeated ad nauseum over the years? Do quote them won't you?
Given the whole circus was based around the evil scheming sexually motivated Knox, it really isn't anything out of the ordinary for progressives to select that as their battle ground.
For you to then suggest that there's a sexual motive for doing so proves you're as fucked up as both the prosecutors and the media.
Doctor Carrot
Marxist Henchman
Progressives? What?
Amusing that you took it to mean that I literally think Joe is entirely motivated by sexual attraction to Amanda Knox. God I love urban sometimes
Joe Reilly
Well-Known Member
Guede under sharp advice, opted for the fast track trial. It was held in secret. No reporters were present. Now Guede could have been given a full life sentence. This would then be reduced to a mere 30 years under the fast track system. But instead he was given 30 years straight off. This he appealed.
It was then reduced to 24 years on appeal to accord with that of his "accomplices" who had by then been sentenced.
He then got a further third off as a result of the fast track rules after that initial reduction.
That brought it down to 16 years.
In 2014 he made yet another appeal - for early release! It was rejected. For now.
Clearly he has been led to expect he will be back on the streets shortly. And why not? The Italian judicial system would appear to have bent over backwards to accommodate him.
And so he feels entitled.
The contrast with the rail-roading of the other two couldn't be clearer, the egregious extra 4 years added onto to Knox's sentence just one example. There is only one sensible conclusion to be drawn.
To misquote Kafka: 'Someone somewhere has been looking out for Mr Guede.'
As his trial was held in secret can only hazard a guess as to why.
(Not to be pedantic but in your "very very simple" version he benefits from the fast track rule not once but twice. Thought I'd mention it in passing.)
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Joe Reilly
Well-Known Member
Not to be too picky. It wasn't merely "not upheld". It was annulled. Rendered null and void. Eviscerated.
No appeal. It's over.
Doctor Carrot
Marxist Henchman
We could of course spin it that Joe's a patronising male chauvinist who feels that because Knox is a woman she needs protecting more, therefore exposing the depths that culturally entrenched gender roles are internalised in a patriarchal society and the Knox... and that other bloke's case shows how race, gender and class intersect in miscarriages of justice at the hands of a corrupt state judiciary.... or something.
Personally I'd rather stick to the fact that Joe's trying to misrepresent virtually everything that's been directed at him, trying to paint everyone who doesn't totally agree with him as 'guilters' and has indeed only focussed on Knox, for whatever reason. Any sexual references made were purely in jest, albeit crass jest but jest nonetheless.
Personally I'd rather stick to the fact that Joe's trying to misrepresent virtually everything that's been directed at him, trying to paint everyone who doesn't totally agree with him as 'guilters' and has indeed only focussed on Knox, for whatever reason. Any sexual references made were purely in jest, albeit crass jest but jest nonetheless.
Doctor Carrot
Marxist Henchman
Except the slander conviction... Not to be picky.
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Doctor Carrot
Marxist Henchman
Here you go again. Knox and SOLLECITO, remember that guy? Seriously it's weird you're only focussing on her. Why are you doing that? Only one of Knox's four years was egregious because her slander sentence was upheld. You're picking and choosing what parts of Italian justice are right and wrong based on your own personal tastes and you're only doing that for one person involved in this. Why?
Progressives? What?
Amusing that you took it to mean that I literally think Joe is entirely motivated by sexual attraction to Amanda Knox. God I love urban sometimes
I'm pleased you use implied sexism in this way. Politics isn't a fucking joke.
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
No I didn't, you dishonet prat. It got recalculated when Knox and that fella got sentenced. Which is what I've said all along.
The rest of your post is just as much nonsense.
Because of what I said which you ignored you stupid cunt.
Doctor Carrot
Marxist Henchman
Oh get off ya high horse. It's weird Joe's constantly focussing on Knox and only Knox, that's really all I'm saying. If you wanna pick on me for making a sexual reference call out beboid too for telling Joe to 'stop wanking over Amanda Knox.'
Doctor Carrot
Marxist Henchman
Oh piss off you old cunt
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