Alex Callinicos/SWP vs Laurie Penny/New Statesman Facebook handbags

[sihhi]

Michael Foot, Cecil Day-Lewis and somebody who was on masterchef.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Wadham_College_people

Laura is described as "an author and social activist".

Michael Foot studied PPE though. There's a special circle for those types Miliband, Cameron.

Here's PPE graduate Toby Young:

The journalist Toby Young, who read PPE at Brasenose College two years ahead of David Cameron, is a defender of the course and believes it offers a firm intellectual grounding for would-be leaders across the political spectrum.
"Among the 10 people reading PPE at the same time as me at Brasenose, you had everything from Monday Club fascists to revolutionary Marxists, plus every shade of opinion in between," he says.

 

[sihhi]

Tariq Ali's daughter. (Not LP, but another Wahdamitte)

He himself is another Oxford PPE of course.

 

[Louis MacNeice]

Michael Foot studied PPE though. There's a special circle for those types Miliband, Cameron.

Here's PPE graduate Toby Young:

The journalist Toby Young, who read PPE at Brasenose College two years ahead of David Cameron, is a defender of the course and believes it offers a firm intellectual grounding for would-be leaders across the political spectrum.
"Among the 10 people reading PPE at the same time as me at Brasenose, you had everything from Monday Club fascists to revolutionary Marxists, plus every shade of opinion in between," he says.

An observation and quote that tells you all you need to know about Young's politics; i.e. it's an instrumental game to be played for personal advantage regardless of the actual content.

Cheers - Louis MacNeice

 

[butchersapron]

They did produce a regicide though in John Cook.

 

[butchersapron]

He himself is another Oxford PPE of course.

And his dad would have been wadham as well but for the war.

 

[sihhi]

[F]or the first 18 months after Oxford, when he was already a public leftie, Tariq had a proper job - working for Michael Heseltine. Heseltine had been impressed by his presidency of the Union, and had told Julian Critchley, editor of Town magazine, which Heseltine owned, to give him some work. So he did some theatre reviewing and other articles.
'I was leading a march against the French Embassy one day, through Kensington, when I saw the Heseltines, out shopping. 'Look, darling, there's Tariq,' shouted Mrs Heseltine. I gave them a wave, then marched on. I was never totally what we would now call politically correct, even in my most militant phase. I always liked good food, good wines. I suppose it was because I had total confidence in myself.' (Hunter Davies interview of Tariq Ali)

These days, I live in two cities. In one of them, I'm a precariously employed young person. I associate with activists and jobless workers in squats and cramped, overpriced flats rammed with empty cereal packets and internet cables. People eat food out of skips and wear out their trainers running away from the police. In the other, I'm a media luvvie and mingle with people who take taxis to events that have name tags to make it clear something important is under way. TV and radio programmes are made, editorial meetings are held, and networking takes place in large glass buildings (Laurie Penny Diary in Evening Standard)

If nothing else our intersectionality will be boosted by the return of Tariq to this thread

 

[Firky]

Posted elsewhere:

Of course, most people may already have seen this, but apropos this board's feeling about Rushcroft Road


http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/2013/07/yuppies-out-living-front-line-gentrification-brixton

There's a bit of an irony about the NS printing such an article. They and their readership are the forces behind gentrification.

Now I'll go read it.

E2A: Oh, it's written by Cal Flyn of the Telegraph.

Cal Flyn ‏@calflyn 3h
@Lindapalermo yes! Are you camberwell direction? I'm sure ill be back staying and we can get a coffee in one if the fancy places ! X

 

[frogwoman]

[F]or the first 18 months after Oxford, when he was already a public leftie, Tariq had a proper job - working for Michael Heseltine. Heseltine had been impressed by his presidency of the Union, and had told Julian Critchley, editor of Town magazine, which Heseltine owned, to give him some work. So he did some theatre reviewing and other articles.

 

[butchersapron]

[F]or the first 18 months after Oxford, when he was already a public leftie, Tariq had a proper job - working for Michael Heseltine. Heseltine had been impressed by his presidency of the Union, and had told Julian Critchley, editor of Town magazine, which Heseltine owned, to give him some work. So he did some theatre reviewing and other articles.
'I was leading a march against the French Embassy one day, through Kensington, when I saw the Heseltines, out shopping. 'Look, darling, there's Tariq,' shouted Mrs Heseltine. I gave them a wave, then marched on. I was never totally what we would now call politically correct, even in my most militant phase. I always liked good food, good wines. I suppose it was because I had total confidence in myself.' (Hunter Davies interview of Tariq Ali)

These days, I live in two cities. In one of them, I'm a precariously employed young person. I associate with activists and jobless workers in squats and cramped, overpriced flats rammed with empty cereal packets and internet cables. People eat food out of skips and wear out their trainers running away from the police. In the other, I'm a media luvvie and mingle with people who take taxis to events that have name tags to make it clear something important is under way. TV and radio programmes are made, editorial meetings are held, and networking takes place in large glass buildings (Laurie Penny Diary in Evening Standard)

If nothing else our intersectionality will be boosted by the return of Tariq to this thread

Note that he was 'leading'. Always leading.

 

[Firky]

[F]or the first 18 months after Oxford, when he was already a public leftie, Tariq had a proper job

That got a proper real life snigger

 

[frogwoman]

Note that he was 'leading'. Always leading.

the vanguard of the class.

 

[DotCommunist]

what was he harassing the gauls about- nuclear testing? would have been around the time of those undersea whoppers..

 

[rekil]

PD sleeper who needs to sharpen up his deep cover skills.

Cheers - Louis MacNeice

Jeffrey Li (Ab) Wadham College Physics

Physics comes in handy for space stuff. This youngster has to be one of ours. Victory to Jeff!

 

[frogwoman]

Physics comes in handy for space stuff. This youngster has to be one of ours. Victory to Jeff!

I hope it was nuclear physics.

 

[sihhi]

Is that the frogwoman salute for Tariq Ali in his Proletarian Democracy Heseltine sleeper cell?

Turns out Tariq Ali has been sabotaging the intersectional struggle all these years.

In the Sixties I did get recognised a lot, but it always worried me. I never knew how they were going to react, whether they might abuse me. So when people on the bus or in the street said 'Are you Tariq Ali?' I would say 'No, sorry,' then smile. 'We do all look the same . . .'

How can white people better tell apart nonwhites if the nonwhites trick the whites, somebody tell Sunny Drake!

 

[butchersapron]

Just to remind people what SJ was up against.

 

[frogwoman]

Just to remind people what SJ was up against.

i was such an idiot back then in 2009 or whenever it was I started the thread I properly hadn't thought about it at all. Sorry.

 

[butchersapron]

i was such an idiot back then I properly hadn't thought about it at all. Sorry.

Eh? What you being sorry for, it was the others i was on about who reduced this stuff to men doing a fair share and so on. You readjusted with more info. I did scrub this post as it looks like shit stirring but it's really really not so reinstated it. Take that apology back

 

[frogwoman]

Eh? What you being sorry for, it was the others i was on about who reduced this stuff to men doing a fair share and so on. You readjusted with more info. I did scrub this post as it looks like shit stirring but it's really really not so reinstated it. Take that apology back

Fair enough. Just facpalming at my naive OP

 

[eoin_k]

Just to remind people what SJ was up against.

SJ as in Selma James?

 

[butchersapron]

Yes. I think i may have meant that for the SWP thread.

edit: yes, wrong thread.

 

[Louis MacNeice]

i was such an idiot back then in 2009 or whenever it was I started the thread I properly hadn't thought about it at all. Sorry.

That's funny because I was an idiot back in 2009...and 2010, 11, 12, 13...

Cheers - Louis MacNeice

 

[butchersapron]

Spoiler

 

[eoin_k]

Yes. I think i may have meant that for the SWP thread.

edit: yes, wrong thread.

I am trying to get my head around this at he moment. In the early 70s, Power of Women seem to have had quite an Influence on the women's movement, claimants union etc. Even if other groups take up the demand for a guaranteed adequate independent income rather than wages for housework, and are critical about aspects of the demand they seem happy to acknowledge POWs influence on their analysis of unpaid housework and social reproduction. At some point in the mid seventies this seems to break down. In part this seems to be about difficulties relating some of the issues the women's movement is focused on directly to the demand - e.g. work on sexual and domestic violence based around Rape Crisis centres and Women's Aid. Trying to unravel the sectarian wrangling (which POW members seem to have contributed to) from the material and ideological ones is proving to be a challenge.

 

[rekil]

The thread was prompted by this.

Of course, the old left is not about to disappear completely. It is highly likely that even after a nuclear attack, the only remaining life-forms will be cockroaches and sour-faced vendors of the Socialist Worker.

Now in addition to making stuff up about her political background, she's telling a pub full of sourfaced swaps that they "punch above their weight".

 

[love detective]

to be fair, surviving a nuclear attack should probably count as punching above your weight

 

[Tom A]

Heard she was influenced by a very early speech by Negri, along the lines of "I won't come home for my tea mum, we're still playing football."

Or Genesis' "Land of Confusion".

 

[tufty79]

to be fair, surviving a nuclear attack should probably count as punching above your weight

 

[sihhi]

Has Molly Crabapple entered the "Murdoch empire"?

#leveson wasn't about unregulated press, it was about massive corruption between police and Murdoch empire

Fantastic news- @mollycrabapple is writing a book, Drawing Blood, to be published by Harper Collins.

Or is it a new prairie fire?

Yesterday James lit the fuse, today let Rupert set the prairie alight.

Victory to James Murdoch!
Victory to Rupert Murdoch!
Victory to Proletarian Democracy!

People’s Commission for the Bright Dawn of Proletarian Democracy (PCBDPD)

 

[barney_pig]

I see that the indie have run a obit for nadezhda Popova*, another one who "sought to fight violence with violence"



* night witch and killer of fascists