Alex Callinicos/SWP vs Laurie Penny/New Statesman Facebook handbags

[The Pale King]

https://twitter.com/PennyRed/status/247070857187446784

Is page 3 more or less consensual than 'rape porn'? Dunno about you lot, but this misogynist is massively confused.

Me too. Laurie too I think:

• 1. Laurie Penny ‏@PennyRed 4h
  2. Taking a break from this porn convo now because I'm about to go crazy from sleep deprivation and no longer thinking straight #sensible
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      Bit of frantic triangulation going on from the looks of things. She's examined sexual assault and rape through the lens of rape culture before (
  http://www.newstatesman.com/laurie-penny/2013/03/steubenville-rape-cultures-abu-ghraib-moment
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    ) but drops it when confronted with actual 'rape porn' in favour of letting it all hang out and leaving the 'consenting' adults to it. Once she's caught up on her sleep I'm sure she'll find a way to square the circle.
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      I think she's a dilettante and a popinjay!
  

 

[The Pale King]

Road Trip!

 

[rekil]

Disappointed that people seem to think being anti-censorship means I'm a fan of violent misogynist porn. This debate unhelpfully polarised.

Why are you opposed to page 3 then? You twat.

 

[The Pale King]

1. Louise Mensch ‏@LouiseMensch 6m
2. . @PennyRed @EVAWhd glad to see Penny is of the same mind as my earlier article on this. http://unfashionista.com/2013/06/10/the-campaign-to-ban-rape-porn-is-far-too-broadly-drawn/ … wrong to criminalise BDSM.
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Where Mensch leads, Penny follows! I want them to co-present a tv programme. Live studio audience divided into right and leftwing feminists (Menscheviks and Pennites) from whom some are chosen to compete against each other in a series of Generation Game / Krypton Factor style activities. Winner gets to choose whether to spend an afternoon with Mensch on the Upper West Side or to be taken to a riot by Laurie. Could be the new tfi friday.

 

[The Pale King]

Why are you opposed to page 3 then? You twat.

• 1. Laurie Penny ‏@PennyRed 6m
  2. However I AM absolutely against Page 3. For complex reasons explained in the article I wrote about it.
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  For complex reasons yeah? You wouldn't understand.

 

[rekil]

Shameless appropriation of our Multitudinous Positionism strategy by the private school class.

 

[smokedout]

is anyone attempting to define what consensual acts between adults are unacceptable?

i think a discussion about rape porn can be had without there being any suggestion of stopping people indulging in their own consensual rape fantasies if they choose to.

and if they film them?

hate to say it but I agree with Mensch on this, the violent porn act was bad law, any extension of it would be as well

 

[SpineyNorman]

Road Trip!

'This word provocative, I've never heard it used of a man who's a political writer, never.'

That's just bullshit isn't it? It was unusual not to hear Christopher Hitchens described like that. (Not arguing with the wider implicit point - that what she writes never justified threats, sexist abuse etc - I agree with that)

 

[CharlieChaplin]

The Sun should just put a man in underwear in the same image as the page 3 girl.

Everybody is happy that way.

 

[JimW]

The Sun should just put a man in underwear in the same image as the page 3 girl.

Everybody is happy that way.

That's been done, can't remember who it was but one of them had a Page Seven Fella.
ETA: Looked it up to check it wasn't some disturbing drug-fuelled false memory: http://www.80sactual.com/2005/05/equality-in-80s-page-7-fella-and-story.html

 

[redsquirrel]

Laurie getting slapped down by rape crisis people.

https://twitter.com/RapeCrisisSth/status/346253927613857792

Fucking hell, what an utter idiot. I suppose it's where her dreadful individualistic politics lead though.

 

[barney_pig]

Does the news that poor white boys are doing worse than any other group in schools mean:
A). That the cards in the intersectionality top trumps pack will have to be reshuffled. Or
B). More 'jokes' about thick chavs?

 

[J Ed]

G8 is a joke. China + Brazil excluded despite being top 8 economies. India excluded yet 9th largest econony + has 1bn people. Its like a whites only club

If only Brazil, while hundreds of thousands of its marginalised population, were allowed a seat at the table then all would be right with global capitalism.

 

[rekil]

"Now the G20, that's a little bit communism."

 

[butchersapron]

If only Brazil, while hundreds of thousands of its marginalised population, were allowed a seat at the table then all would be right with global capitalism.

Who was that?

 

[rekil]

Who was that?

This guy whoever he is.

https://twitter.com/leejamesbrown/status/346713139389288448

Laura in the NS however

The G8 allows the world's richest nations to come together without representatives of the global south blocking the corridors and raising inconvenient points in meetings,

 

[sihhi]

I don't understand anything any more - is this irony against internalised misogyny, general male sexism or against sexual exploitation?

@seanbonner Harper @quinnnorton @drcabl3 since I joined SC it's been 100% people's dinners, pets and haircuts, no boobs. V. disappointing.

 

[J Ed]

^ copliker's post

 

[sihhi]

Does the news that poor white boys are doing worse than any other group in schools mean:
A). That the cards in the intersectionality top trumps pack will have to be reshuffled. Or
B). More 'jokes' about thick chavs?

To take this seriously it can only mean a further splintering of working-class as a collective single reality/identity, namely:
since Somali boys, Bangladeshi boys and Pakistani boys are still doing worse than the average white boys it means there is a general collective oppression of Somalis, Bangladeshis and Pakistanis by everyone else white, black, Indian and Chinese or something, which these groups choose to deny.

 

[butchersapron]

Is Laurie 'i'm more irish than english' more culchie than commie do we think?

 

[Idris2002]

Watch it, Jackeen.

 

[rekil]

GAA jersey and jumper tied around the waist. Fantastic.

 

[sihhi]

Is Laurie 'i'm more irish than english' more culchie than commie do we think?

Are LP's grandparents rural Irish peasants? Dunno. But leftist journalist for VICE Molly Crapabble has been drinking in an Irish pub:

Drinking in an Irish pub, across from a playground, it's easy to forget men are being forcibly tube-fed on the same base #GTMO

Crapabble may well also be one of the "razor-smart badasses" from "all over the world".

The journalists covering #GTMO now are an unspeakable privilage to meet- razor smart badasses all of them, from all over the world

 

[Limerick Red]

GAA jersey and jumper tied around the waist. Fantastic.

Im sure some hang sangwiches in tinfoil and a hard boiled egg with her as well!

 

[rekil]

Are LP's grandparents rural Irish peasants?

Her wiki now says she's of 'jewish descent' - it adds a certain amount of gravitas I think. She'll claim to be Irish when the need arises to boast about 'I'm great craic really' genes.

 

[J Ed]

Her wiki now says she's of 'jewish descent' - it adds a certain amount of gravitas I think. She'll claim to be Irish when the need arises to boast about 'I'm great craic really' genes.

Well, she does seem to admire American culture and an elastic heritage is something they enjoy!

 

[butchersapron]

Elastic identity for them, the rest of us trapped forever in our identity as victims or oppressors.

 

[frogwoman]

Just as well my dad hasn't heard of her then, it was bad enough when the bernie madoff scandal happened and he spent ages panicking that the jews were going to have a bad image because of it.

 

[sihhi]

As far as I gauge it from LP's tweets on the matter- parents both rich lawyers, born in Britain.
Father son of (1890s 1900s ??) pogrom-era Jewish immigrant couple. Mother with some Irish connection.

 

[articul8]

They said on the news that the Obama children have more Irish ancestry than the Kennedys. #justsaying