Yeah, and Loren Goldner... She also claimed to be a fan of their work which, tbh, was the most questionable part...
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Yeah, and Loren Goldner... She also claimed to be a fan of their work which, tbh, was the most questionable part...
SpineyNorman
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This is the video by the way, Laurie's really perceptive questions are just after 1.37.00:
Mattick's response was great though - where he points out that pursuing intellectual interests (which by implication also means talking about and writing about stuff - in other words everything Laurie does) is not a radical activity and that gender etc is not relevant to a highly abstract discussion of economic crisis.
The whole thing was fucked up by people like her too - people who would rather listen to their own voices and are really more interested in telling everyone what they think than letting the guest speakers everyone has come to hear have to say. The fucking moron who introduces them takes 20 minutes to ask introductory questions (which was really him saying what he thought - cos that's what everyone wants to hear) even though those speakers only got 10 minutes.
What really could have been an excellent meeting was utterly ruined by these consumer radical cunts. Most of us don't even get the chance to organise or go to stuff like this so it really winds me up when I go to watch a video of it online only to see it absolutely ruined by people who only care about their own egos.
Cunts.
/rant
http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/steerpike/2013/06/dear-laurie-penny-please-explain-this/
*think* this is written by one of the Guido Fawkes lot.
anyway, i'm not going to wade through 700 pages to see if this has already been clocked, but here it is
*think* this is written by one of the Guido Fawkes lot.
anyway, i'm not going to wade through 700 pages to see if this has already been clocked, but here it is
sihhi
Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered
That Spectator guy's issue was dealt with about 2 years ago in the comments of the article that the guy is linking to
What is it with journalists and not doing things properly
- I'm pretty sure everyone on this thread could do a better job of this comment 'journalism'.yes, it was clocked some time ago iirc. i expect staines has just come across this thread and is working his way through it, plagiarising our hard work.
(by 'ours', i mean sihhi's)
the thought did cross my mind
*waves* cunts
Idris2002
canadian girlfriend
plagiarising our hard work.
(by 'ours', i mean sihhi's)
Quality never goes out of style.
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
yes, it was clocked some time ago iirc. i expect staines has just come across this thread and is working his way through it, plagiarising our hard work.
(by 'ours', i mean sihhi's)
Seaman Staines
Nigel Irritable
Five, Ten, Fifteen Years
The twitter intersectionalistas, mostly of the British subspecies, are currently running a #howilearnedaboutintersectionality hashtag. Which seems a bit longwinded for 140 characters. The point seems to be to refute the (stupid) idea that they it's "too academic". None of the tweets are particularly interesting really, but it gives you a sense of its growing popularity and of the type of people attracted to it.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
I think she did make it sound like Ramirez spoke to her and spoke to her 20 years after the quotes. Given it's placed within an overview of modern conditions and slap bang within her explaining "Of the women I spoke to..." and that all other uses of the piece were properly reffed. A minor thing though may stem from sloppiness.. Huge chunks of that already tiny book seems to be a rip off/rephrasing of things like that and padded out with most generous quotation..
Nigel Irritable
Five, Ten, Fifteen Years
Ah, it seems that the defensiveness about it being "too academic" comes from Julie Bindell telling some intersectionalist that it was too "Oxbridge" and "wanky". She's wrong about where it's coming from - it's not an Oxbridge thing, it's an American campus radical liberal thing which got to Britain through twitter and tumblr - so it's easy for the intersectionalists to refute her claims on that point. She does however make the solid point that her opposition to this stuff has nothing in common with the nasty sort of shit in that dailymash article.
The hashtag responses fall into three main categories:
1) I always knew about it, because I'm [insert three forms of identity here] but I only heard the word recently. These are essentially claims that it's obvious and automatically flows from the experience of oppression, rather than merely a single political interpretation amongst many.
2) I heard about it from black/trans/disabled/etc women. This is option 1 for people who are reluctant to claim the requisite oppression points for option 1, mixed with a bit of argument from authority.
3) I heard about it on twitter, on tumblr or through "fandom". This is the only common answer that actually explains the conduit.
The hashtag responses fall into three main categories:
1) I always knew about it, because I'm [insert three forms of identity here] but I only heard the word recently. These are essentially claims that it's obvious and automatically flows from the experience of oppression, rather than merely a single political interpretation amongst many.
2) I heard about it from black/trans/disabled/etc women. This is option 1 for people who are reluctant to claim the requisite oppression points for option 1, mixed with a bit of argument from authority.
3) I heard about it on twitter, on tumblr or through "fandom". This is the only common answer that actually explains the conduit.
el-ahrairah
forward communism, forward gerbils!
no, i noticed that. i was just unclear of why wishing hot weather on women was so terrible.
sihhi
Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered
Don't worry, there's a reading and panel discussion at the Summer Fete for the New Inquiry featuring senior editor Malcolm Harris, deputy Emily Cooke and Maryam Monalisa a Harvard PhD postcolonial studies expert on 'Be an Outlaw, Be a Hero: Cinematic Figures of Transgression and Urban Banditry in Brazil, France, and the Maghreb'
Here's the invitation
The entry fee for 3 and a half hours is only $150 or $75
A chance for some "intersectionality" with the immigrant working-classes of Red Hook, Crown Heights, Williamsburg, Gowanus etc.
This is where it will be happening in (former docks and industry) Gowanus neighbourhood:-
kavenism
Progressive misanthrope
It's actually a very sloppy radicalisation of feminist standpoint theory from the early 90s. A worthwhile tool in social research twisted into a means for Bo-bo commentators and political pundits to police their wretched domain. Incidentally in the literature the word privilege comes up most often when talking about the possible epistemic privilege people under oppressive conditions might have, although the scope of that claim is considerably more qualified than these intersectionalists would ever admit. It’s not used as a stick to beat the purported opposition as the point of standpoint research is to increase understanding of the workings of social domination rather than score points in pathetic online vanity games.
rekil
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Nah, it was swiped off Julie Bindel today I reckon. She was having a right go.yes, it was clocked some time ago iirc. i expect staines has just come across this thread and is working his way through it, plagiarising our hard work.
(by 'ours', i mean sihhi's)
https://twitter.com/bindelj/status/342216616966234112
sihhi
Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered
SpineyNorman
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Don't worry, there's a reading and panel discussion at the Summer Fete for the New Inquiry featuring senior editor Malcolm Harris, deputy Emily Cooke and Maryam Monalisa a Harvard PhD postcolonial studies expert on 'Be an Outlaw, Be a Hero: Cinematic Figures of Transgression and Urban Banditry in Brazil, France, and the Maghreb'
Here's the invitation
The entry fee for 3 and a half hours is only $150 or $75
A chance for some "intersectionality" with the immigrant working-classes of Red Hook, Crown Heights, Williamsburg, Gowanus etc.
This is where it will be happening in (former docks and industry) Gowanus neighbourhood:-
If that isn't designed to put off anyone even vaguely normal it's doing a very good impression of it.
sihhi
Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered
Just noticed the defence by Roz Kaveney (also Oxford, also a friend of LP's):
At the risk of LLETSA-ism, do some middle-class people even know what bullying is any more?
SpineyNorman
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yes, it was clocked some time ago iirc. i expect staines has just come across this thread and is working his way through it, plagiarising our hard work.
(by 'ours', i mean sihhi's)
Just in case he is - one day you will swing from a lamp post by your own intestines Staines. (And you can't grass me up and say it's a threat of criminal violence cos I'm not gonna do it until after the glorious day, by which time it will be completely legal, if not mandatory)
kavenism
Progressive misanthrope
Fucking Verso are sponsoring it. Do they have no taste whatsoever?
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
yeah let us not descend into true yorkshireman style of 'Bullying? you don't know it lad! My dad used to stamp on my face after school' etc
but being pulled up for inaccuracy is not bullying. If you can't source it don't quote it.
but being pulled up for inaccuracy is not bullying. If you can't source it don't quote it.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Madam J-mo spotted it (and many offences to be taken into consideration ) first.
Idris2002
canadian girlfriend
Don't worry, there's a reading and panel discussion at the Summer Fete for the New Inquiry featuring senior editor Malcolm Harris, deputy Emily Cooke and Maryam Monalisa a Harvard PhD postcolonial studies expert on 'Be an Outlaw, Be a Hero: Cinematic Figures of Transgression and Urban Banditry in Brazil, France, and the Maghreb'
Here's the invitation
The entry fee for 3 and a half hours is only $150 or $75
A chance for some "intersectionality" with the immigrant working-classes of Red Hook, Crown Heights, Williamsburg, Gowanus etc.
This is where it will be happening in (former docks and industry) Gowanus neighbourhood:-
A rug really pulls a room together.
SpineyNorman
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You saying all Yorkshiremen are bullies? That's racist and sexist. Check your [insert place where DC lives here] privilege
sihhi
Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered
The criticism that was especially thought beyond the pale/bullying was:
the blogger and book buyer noting LP was putting old material into a new book and not warning that it was old material, then selling for £6.99.
SpineyNorman
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DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
rekil
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Well yeah, I meant Bindel mentioned the madamjo blog today after LP's radio gig this morning. The spectator person is more likely to have picked up on it from there rather than here.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
That was more for the benefit of those joining us late on in the thread than your good self. Yep, the libertarian freaks would have got it from the mighty bindel.
sihhi
Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered
This was the main part of the Roz Kaveney attack on the person who pointed out the flaws and wrong labelling/advertising:
The point is that unlike the correctly-labelled Penny Red Notes from the Age of Dissent, LP's second book, there is no sense from the advertising accompanying it in which the first book is simply half a dozen already written blogs threaded together poorly.
Julie and Finn objected to sub-ten minute phone conversations for LP's blogs, being presented as their doing actual interviews for the book, they didn't backtrack at all.
The point is that unlike the correctly-labelled Penny Red Notes from the Age of Dissent, LP's second book, there is no sense from the advertising accompanying it in which the first book is simply half a dozen already written blogs threaded together poorly.
Julie and Finn objected to sub-ten minute phone conversations for LP's blogs, being presented as their doing actual interviews for the book, they didn't backtrack at all.
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