Alex Callinicos/SWP vs Laurie Penny/New Statesman Facebook handbags

[Pickman's model]

Monkee priviledge.

monkee magic

 

[andysays]

monkee magic

Monkey Tennis?

 

[Bakunin]

A real rigorous consistency and solidity of conviction pervades her politics

Or, as the esteemed performer Mr. F. Mercury once put it:

'Any way the wind blows, doesn't really matter to me...'

 

[Nigel Irritable]

It means privilege checking is good and will help mean that men no long tell women what to do.

In action here - LP's friend Hugo attacks feminist anti-militarist organisation Codepink for noting Michelle Obama's support for extending the US military budget but cutting social spending, and Alicia Keys singing about peace and all that whilst a Obama supporter but then going to Israel for a set of concerts in Israel.

"So you've gone after @FLOTUS and @aliciakeys this morning, @codepink. Any more women of color not living up to your standards?"

As I read it, instead of debating the issues US power and Israeli occupation etc - Codepink are basically deemed as racist having insufficiently checked their white privilege (even though they have immigrant members but they don't call themselves a black or immigrant womens group - hence fair game)

That is fucking revolting. It's one of the cheapest cheap shots I've seen in a while. It's also incredibly fucking patronising to black women.

 

[Nigel Irritable]

Amused to see Malcolm whatsit fighting the good fight on the Schwyzer tweet. The thread comes full circle.

 

[sihhi]

This is the latest response

https://twitter.com/hugoschwyzer/status/342385794939486208

@caulkthewagon @iamcaroline @BigMeanInternet I was calling out @codepink for harassing the First Lady of my country.

As I read it:

A Codepink member heckled Obama during a speech she was making about how much Obama supports gay rights (heckler said if he supports it so much why not sign through proper employment law for people who are dismissed as a result of it being discovered that they are gay). Michelle Obama refused to answer said shut up or I leave.

Some black middle-class Obama loyalist then got angry at Codepink on twitter, Codepink people said we're not on Michelle Obama's side, Obama's budget is still a war budget. Twitter frothed with rage that this was sexist and racist against Michelle Obama because Michelle Obama isn't the one making the decisions - or something.

As a result of numbers/history, the black middle-class in America is bigger than the black and immigrant middle-class, plus the greater volume of student types in general - equals lots of black intersectionalists and their white amplifiers/signal boosters (whose function is to repeat whatever they choose of blacks using intersectionality).

In the end, Codepink apologises and says sorry we will consider our intersectional analysis better.

Malcolm Harris and Hugo Schwyzer have previous beef about something also fairly stupid/blown out of proportion - Hugo saying men as "good men" shouldn't date women much younger than them, Malcolm saying 'no get lost' I can't find a link now.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Fucking Verso are sponsoring it. Do they have no taste whatsoever?

You only need look at their author list to know the answer to that!

 

[andysays]

Or, as the esteemed performer Mr. F. Mercury once put it:

'Any way the wind blows, doesn't really matter to me...'

He's just a poor boy, from a poor family​

 

[caleb]

Verso = hipster Stalinism.

 

[Steel Icarus]

That is fucking revolting. It's one of the cheapest cheap shots I've seen in a while. It's also incredibly fucking patronising to black women.

And the response was ridiculous. This is what, rather than a basic awareness of yerself and a bit of reflectivity (don't be a knobhead in other words), privilege checking by people so afraid to be seen as what someone else has decided they must be leads to - a war of contrition.

 

[barney_pig]

A lecturer at our uni wrote this, which may be of interest here, it's on my to read list...

That is an interesting read

 

[butchersapron]

I read an interesting essay by her a few years back ‘Motherly Hate’ Gendering Anti–Semitism in the British Union of Fascists. (Give us a sec and i'll upload it).

edit: here you go.

 

[nino_savatte]

That's not a Highlander, that's a faux Glaswegian.

 

[The Pale King]

Follow​

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Hugo Schwyzer‏@hugoschwyzer​

@caulkthewagon @iamcaroline @BigMeanInternet I was calling out @codepink for harassing the First Lady of my country.

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Hugo Schwyzer ‏@hugoschwyzer

13h​

@iamcaroline @caulkthewagon @BigMeanInternet @codepink agreed. But heckling @flotus is not dissent, it's live action trolling.

Hugo Schwyzer is a fucking dickhead, says I.

Harrassment? Give me strength! "Of my country"? Dry your eyes Hugo you fucking tool.

 

[andysays]

heckling is not dissent, it's live action trolling

One's man's (sic) dissenting heckler is another man's troll, innit?

 

[fractionMan]

The mash on checking ur privet

Tom Logan, an opinion-haver from Stevenage, said: “If someone doesn’t know what they’re talking about I would tend to say something like ‘what the fuck would you know?’ or ‘you’re talking out of your arse’.
“‘Check Your Privilege’ is obviously an attempt to replace those perfectly good phrases with the sort of trite self-importance that appeals to left-wing Twitter-Thugs.”

http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/...viously-a-colossal-pile-of-twat-2013060570924

 

[seventh bullet]

Zdravstvyute.

 

[sihhi]

I am tempted to do a poll - Do you think a school/university subject called intersectionality studies is a good idea

http://signsjournal.org/intersectio...er-empowering-theory-summer-2013-vol-38-no-4/

An intersectionality special from the major US feminist academic journal Signs:
with the jump off piece
Toward a Field of Intersectionality Studies: Theory, Applications, and Praxis
Sumi Cho, Kimberlé Williams Crenshaw, and Leslie McCall

 

[agricola]

US feminist academic journal Signs:
with the jump off piece
Toward a Field of Intersectionality Studies: Theory, Applications, and Praxis
Sumi Cho, Kimberlé Williams Crenshaw, and Leslie McCall

The Klingon moon?

 

[DaveCinzano]

From ISN's Network News:

Public meeting: Crisis and Unity - where next for the left?

The IS Network's first public meeting is taking place this Saturday 8 June, at Birkbeck, University of London, Malet Street, London WC1E 7HX

The topics covered will be:

• Fighting oppression - the role of the left
• Austerity, cuts and working-class resistance
• Where next for the left?

Guest speakers will be Laurie Penny (journalist)...

I feel confident that she will have much to say about how oppression should be fought, how the working class should resist, and where 'the left' is going.

Perhaps she will be offering up the faultless leadership of her good self and her fellow deadline-slaying opinion commandos?

 

[rekil]

https://twitter.com/racybaldhero/status/342954493547278337

If I was a computer whizz I'd put a speech bubble on this ... "Stop! Wait! Has everyone checked their privilege?!"

 

[ViolentPanda]

Toward a Field of Intersectionality Studies: Theory, Applications, and Praxis
Sumi Cho, Kimberlé Williams Crenshaw, and Leslie McCall

Somebody's parents forgot to check their "spurious French-spelled name" privilege.

 

[CharlieChaplin]

Hugo Schwyzer is a fucking dickhead, says I.

Harrassment? Give me strength! "Of my country"? Dry your eyes Hugo you fucking tool.

lol what a bell end.

 

[The Pale King]

Somebody's parents forgot to check their "spurious French-spelled name" privilege.

I like Kimberle Crenshaw actually. Studied her at uni, she's an interesting writer and activist, who has actually accomplished things. Laurie Penny is not fit to sharpen her pencils.

 

[The Pale King]

http://www.newstatesman.com/media/m...rdinary-people-and-feminists-are-needed-front

Good article from John Pilger

 

[ViolentPanda]

I like Kimberle Crenshaw actually. Studied her at uni, she's an interesting writer and activist, who has actually accomplished things. Laurie Penny is not fit to sharpen her pencils.

You like her so much you couldn't even be bothered to punctuate her name properly.

 

[The Pale King]

You like her so much you couldn't even be bothered to punctuate her name properly.

Thought you'd like that! Less 'spurious'...

 

[sihhi]

Harrassment? Give me strength! "Of my country"? Dry your eyes Hugo you fucking tool.

"Harassment" can mean being told to desist from unacceptable behaviour as can "bullying".
Of course when people are actually harassed and bullied at work or elsewhere, the new perception will be 'they've said sorry and checked their privilege all is well'

 

[killer b]

Anyone got a link to a decent rundown (and hopefully class-based dismantling) of privilege checking for me to send to a friend who's started seeing the term all over the place and is a bit wtf?

 

[rekil]

https://twitter.com/OwenJones84/status/342774564566220800

Shit bugles.