Alex Callinicos/SWP vs Laurie Penny/New Statesman Facebook handbags
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She needs to check her privilege.
TruXta
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35 quid to get the notice to marry, plus whatever your local register office charges for the cheapest ceremony. The rest is optional.
J Ed
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I could totally see her point if she was really struggling like a lot of people are and buying food on credit etc but I don't think she is. I think that her expectations of what a wedding costs and mine are quite different.
posh bastard. Registry office, NALGO club, ferry to the Isle of Man and getting pissed around Douglas.
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
my mate paid a ton to get married in this appaling high CofE place. Stank of papism
anyway
anyway
TruXta
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70 + the minimum ceremony fee, which is gonna be less than 130 quid most places (I believe).
The Pale King
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Is she trying to say that heterosexuals earn more or something? That heterosexuals can all afford to get married and all want to?
Yes, I don't not lıke that bıt eıther. It means owt.
Especıally when you haven't saıd owt that she wasn't alreadıng thınkıng was as much a descriptive term rather than a technical description of ethnicity but mainly coz I'm a white man living in a white man's world where I don't think a lot of the people involved in the intersectional feminist scene where personally perhaps I maybe wouldn't not have been twıce as sensitive about these things if they were being directed at white people but when they were lıterally up ın theır bedroom playıng at people looking at me pictures trying to figure out if I was really white or not can apply to totally seperate ethnic groups. Quıte possıbly I seem to find there's a continuity wıthout the argument that the use of the world black in this caucus in itself is part of these problems, as it's really imprecise and reflects a sort of crude eurocentric view of race, a ethnocentrıc total hangover of twelve pints of classical imperialism that assumes all black people are part of the same, implicitly inferior, race. Crude racialism of this sort really has no basis in reality I seem to find.
But are you really sayıng owt here?
Because I don't thınk you're really sayıng owt.
In fact an infinite mixture of many different ethnicities mıght be your catch-all descriptive term that can't not can might doesn't apply to totally seperate lıterally ethnic groups. Igbo and Bantu is really silly if they saıd owt about the woman ın her early 20s I was just helpıng top get ''into'' the dense nomentatataruza but I mean I thınk I know I saıd that some Portugese people mıght have darker skin than 2nd and 3rd or 5th or 9th or 2nd generation afro-carribean people but I'm a white man living in a white man's world and maybe that's because the world is a whıte man's place although my hangover of that the use of the world black in this caucus in itself is part of these problems, as it's really imprecise and reflects a sort of crude eurocentric view of race, a hangover of classical imperialism, that references to SCUMM manifesto, which I always thought was meant to be deconstructed to the n-th degree.
That's true as far as ıt goes, but does ıt really have owt to teach us?
After all you go on to say:
But personally perhaps I wouldn't be as sensitive about these things if they were being directed at white people do we believe in indiscriminately killing men or even killing specific men or do we believe in being in a white man's world where my Mum said I wouldn't literally not just talk shit about it but lıterally totally maybe do it in a gruesome way and otherwise it's just Dagestani and Scottish insincere posing nowt or owt I mean seriously Jim do you thınk the patrıarchy ıs goıng to ask about Han racism in China without killing any men or owt
So I feel you may have fallen ınto somethıng of an ınternal contradıctıon. But don't let that stop you or owt.
cesare
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Doesn't matter what she's saying really, all further examples of the same ill thought out nonsense.
I don't thınk they care about owt.
Nigel Irritable
Five, Ten, Fifteen Years
I know that disagreeing with L.Penny is fun and all, but I'm not sure that we can really claim that not spending any money on a wedding is the working class norm with straight faces. On the other hand, seriously cheap weddings are pretty common amongst bohemian types of the sort Penny has been known to socialise with.
Do we have a topıc or owt?
SpineyNorman
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I can try and get called a racist on twitter again by Laurie Penny if you think that might help?
That's more than owt though ısn't ıt?
I thought ıt was meant to be deonstructed to the nth degree.
Portugese people mıght have darker skin than 2nd and 3rd generation afro-carribean people.
I'm a white man living in a white man's world and maybe that's because the world is a whıte man's place.
A sort of crude eurocentric view of race. A hangover. The SCUMM manifesto.
Over and owt.
cesare
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There was one, originally I think. Before it became #everydayprivilegetheoryandintersectionalism interspersed with #everydaylauriepennyisms.
el-ahrairah
forward communism, forward gerbils!
this is because being cis is totally bourgious and boring and only for losers. alternative sexuality is where it's at, daddio.
Nigel Irritable
Five, Ten, Fifteen Years
I think it had something to do with Alex Callinicos, judging by the title.
SpineyNorman
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Agree with that - when my brother and sister got married (not to each other and not at the same time before some smart arse comes along) we spent a fucking fortune on it. But what seems odd to me about this one is that she seems to be suggesting that this is part of a kind of structural homophobia - that it's not a problem straight people have to face (of course if she did that she'd have to admit it's a class issue). If I remember correctly I I'm pretty sure that I once read that on average gay people earn more rather than less so this would in fact affect straights more. Which just shows how fucking stupid identity politics is because if you follow its logic, that it's all about iddentity groups, this must mean that once it's legal straight people who wanted to be married are oppressed as a group. Which is lunacy.
And if it is a class point she's making (yeah right) then why mention queers in the first place? It's just weird and ill thought out. Like her politics in general.
Then perhaps ıt's tıme for Poetry Corner Wıth Delbert?
It's easy once you get the hang of ıt, anyone else want a go?
Ill thought owt.
LOL jesus christ phil are you having a breakdown or have I touched a nerve?
el-ahrairah
forward communism, forward gerbils!
Get Me Owt 
cesare
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He's only doing what sihhi did last week
The Pale King
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New Statesman's 5 main issues facing modern feminism (just the main ones like):
http://www.newstatesman.com/v-spot/2013/05/five-main-issues-facing-modern-feminism
1. domestic labour ("just generally being more like Sweden")
2. Meeja - "unhelpful stereotypes" from Weetabix to page 3
3. "The glass ceiling" - not enough female CEOs and heads of state
4, Social inequality
5. Violence against women
http://www.newstatesman.com/v-spot/2013/05/five-main-issues-facing-modern-feminism
1. domestic labour ("just generally being more like Sweden")
2. Meeja - "unhelpful stereotypes" from Weetabix to page 3
3. "The glass ceiling" - not enough female CEOs and heads of state
4, Social inequality
5. Violence against women
A nerve? Touched a nerve?
My dear fellow, you have touched my soul.
You touch the very fıbre of my beıng wıth your peerless, ımmortal verse. Thıs ıs my personal favorıte:
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