Alex Callinicos/SWP vs Laurie Penny/New Statesman Facebook handbags
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SpineyNorman
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Top NY lawyers don't come cheap. I wonder how much Martin Stolar cost Malc's mammy and daddy.
And If they think that's expensive they should wait till they see the legal fees once operation yewtree gets hold of him.
Aaron Peters
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why share something written two and a half years ago? Just a question. Quite boring as well. Up to you what you choose to read of course
chilango
Hypothetical Wanker
It's someone very obvious.
It only takes a few posts doesn't it.
Ronaldo Bates Sir, I salute your courage, your strength, your indefatigability, and I want you to know that we are with you...
Nigel Irritable
Five, Ten, Fifteen Years
He's so one note that it barely takes the first few blasts of his little whistle.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
"Don't wanna be nobody's hero", as a Northern irish poet once had it.
J Ed
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He's known on this thread cos of this exchange https://twitter.com/aaronjohnpeters/status/327492181558431745
Edit: also other stuff I guess
chilango
Hypothetical Wanker
We're so busy awaiting Malc's big entrance/the return of lauriepenny and distracted by the appearance of Aaron Peters that you sneaking back caught us off guard...
...for a moment.
Steel Icarus
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Cos it's the thing those few people who know who you are will associate you with, it's been posted way back on this thread Aaron. As in Aaron Dissent Entrepreneur rather than Aaron NUS fuck-knuckle
Steel Icarus
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Oh yeah , that too.
Steel Icarus
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And the radio show that had Laurie Penny on it
PD logoman is an excellent image. I have deconstructed it as follows. Firstly the pointed arm is pointing forwards horizontally as is the look on the face. There is no gazing heavenwards for support. Secondly the forward direction is to the left. So many left logos have people with flags marching to the right, a basic error. Thirdly the pointed hand is the right hand leaving the left hand free to hold the essential hammer. That means that the working hand the dominant hand is the left hand. This logo is impeccable.
rekil
to menny cranks
Kids banging on his window while Strictly is on.
Aaron Peters doesn't deserve to be lumped in with the nauseating likes of Harris and co, even if the Novara radio thing seems like a cargo-cult of the gentrified american left, not a direction that I think we should be heading in personally but hey ho.
Welcome to the boards Aaron, please don't let the regulars scare you. They did me at first - but then I'm very sensitive. Please have a go at joining in rather than passive-aggressive debate via retweet. I'll promise to be nice. We've interacted on twitter a few times and you seem fairly decent.
Next time you get Laurie on your show could you ask her why she gave a platform to the leader of a fascist street gang, and then tried to justify it with hilarious convulated no-platform logic? I tried asking myself when Laurie graced us with her presence but I didn't get a reply - perhaps as someone who lives in London and is a proper radical and member of the real left the same question asked from your lips would deserve a reply
In the meantime I hope one day to be worthy of being treated like an equal human being and not have to get answers vicariously through my betters
This is very serious btw, in amongst all the bollocks you'll find a nugget of seriousness on here. I know it's the online equivalent of sieving through your turds for pieces of sweetcorn but still. Giving a platform to Tommy Robinson at that time was dangerous and will have, in a minor way, materially aided the EDL. One of the reasons the EDL has lingered on dispite it's internal meltdown is because the EDL brand still has some value and name recognition, thanks in part to mainstream media being so keen to pruriently lavish him and them with TV coverage and press coverage. If it bleeds it leads, scary fascist street gangs get ratings, and glamourising what they do in a Danny Dyer way gets even more ratings. Laurie Penny's decision to interview him was the wrong one, especially in Vice as they also do a lot of the protest tourism stories that veer into this territory, it was something that I feel demonstrates how careerism trumps basic principle with certain left-wing celebrity journo's. It was a slap in the face to me and all the others who are concerned with the boring day to day anti-fascism out here in the provinces - where the EDL and the far-right are leaving the radical left standing in the race to build on w/c dis-illusionment with failing neoliberalism.
And also if Samsung offered you a load of money in a few years time to do an advert for 'em would you take the money and do it?
Welcome to the boards Aaron, please don't let the regulars scare you. They did me at first - but then I'm very sensitive. Please have a go at joining in rather than passive-aggressive debate via retweet. I'll promise to be nice. We've interacted on twitter a few times and you seem fairly decent.
Next time you get Laurie on your show could you ask her why she gave a platform to the leader of a fascist street gang, and then tried to justify it with hilarious convulated no-platform logic? I tried asking myself when Laurie graced us with her presence but I didn't get a reply - perhaps as someone who lives in London and is a proper radical and member of the real left the same question asked from your lips would deserve a reply
In the meantime I hope one day to be worthy of being treated like an equal human being and not have to get answers vicariously through my betters This is very serious btw, in amongst all the bollocks you'll find a nugget of seriousness on here. I know it's the online equivalent of sieving through your turds for pieces of sweetcorn but still. Giving a platform to Tommy Robinson at that time was dangerous and will have, in a minor way, materially aided the EDL. One of the reasons the EDL has lingered on dispite it's internal meltdown is because the EDL brand still has some value and name recognition, thanks in part to mainstream media being so keen to pruriently lavish him and them with TV coverage and press coverage. If it bleeds it leads, scary fascist street gangs get ratings, and glamourising what they do in a Danny Dyer way gets even more ratings. Laurie Penny's decision to interview him was the wrong one, especially in Vice as they also do a lot of the protest tourism stories that veer into this territory, it was something that I feel demonstrates how careerism trumps basic principle with certain left-wing celebrity journo's. It was a slap in the face to me and all the others who are concerned with the boring day to day anti-fascism out here in the provinces - where the EDL and the far-right are leaving the radical left standing in the race to build on w/c dis-illusionment with failing neoliberalism.
And also if Samsung offered you a load of money in a few years time to do an advert for 'em would you take the money and do it?
Have you changed your opinion since then, out of interest? Coz all the stuff about horizontal networks was so in vogue at the time of the student movement, and I felt myself at the time that much of it was ill thought out pseudo-anarchist platitudes, so perhaps now looking back years later at the student movement you could pick out where and how this stuff failed? What oligarchical tendencies emerged from the horizontal networks and who benefitted from them and why? Why when the horizontalist approach was applied in the various Occupy camps it failed so dismally at producing any tangible political affects, why it led to day after after of micro-politics suffocating any sort of potential, how it utterly and miserably failed to even collectively manage the camps themselves (look at the fucking horror stories about rape and sexual assault that have been a feature of Occupy type events all over the world to pick the most grotesque example of these failings) these sorts of things. Also the phrase dissent entrepeneur makes me want to gip. Any regrets about using it, or is it a label you'd be happy to use today?
I'm not having a go coz you can't have been very old when you wrote that, and there's nowt wrong with changing your mind, I'd just be interested to see whether your thoughts have changed. I reckon you might've come on here looking for a row but I'm not going to give you one coz 1) you're pretty hench 2) I reckon you're a thoughtful person who has something worthwhile to add to these debates, and it'd be a shame if you didn't at least have a go at engaging before it ends with playground squabbling.
Nigel Irritable
Five, Ten, Fifteen Years
And also if Samsung offered you a load of money in a few years time to do an advert for 'em would you take the money and do it?
In fairness to that illustrator, she may be a bit of a clown, but most of us here would take Samsung's money for that kind of old rope.
Yeah right.
Nigel Irritable
Five, Ten, Fifteen Years
Delroy, stop sucking up to the new kid.
Truthfully? No. I couldn't do it unless I was starving or something. I know that sound stupid but part of why I'm 26 and unemployable is I'm very stubborn about that kind of thing. And yes I am a fucking idiot before you ask.
Idris2002
canadian girlfriend
In fairness, if he's good we can invite him back to the clubhouse, where we all stand around a bust of Marx and drink toasts to evil.
Nigel Irritable
Five, Ten, Fifteen Years
It's a straightforward cash for dignity swap. Maybe your dignity costs more than mine.
You clearly weren't around when they were explaining the good cop bad cop stuff at the Urban 75 how to troll the gentrified left summer school.
Anyway I kiss all their arses, Owen Jones in particular, I was even sticking up for Laurie Penny a bit before she turned up in person and start making smart-arse Tory quips dissing the unemployed. Then calling my comrades racist. And sexist. And so on ad infinitum. I have a bit more faith in Aaron than I ought to be perhaps. We'll see.
I kiss their arses coz I think "There but for the grace of god go I" I could've ended up doing that if I hadn't fucked my life over in my early 20's, when I was in my mid-teens the idea of having a small, low circulation, hyper-stylized journal I could write for would've been very appealing. It would've been a wonderful little excuse to manifest my ego and feel like I was doing something just big enough to be good, just marginal enough to be cool. The sweet-spot. Like having a band that's about the size of Half Man Half Biscuit but no bigger, coz then you sell out, and that matters.
Oh no it's not that. I have no dignity. At all. I'm just very stupid. Anyway I'm threadshitting let's let someone else talk.
JimW
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I gave mine away so long ago I've had to fall back on selling off my reason and will to live.
DaveCinzano
WATCH OUT, GEORGE, HE'S GOT A SCREWDRIVER!
Jodhpurs for goalposts
Aaron Peters
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Of course my thinking has changed a great deal since then (anything I have written over the last two years looks sounds very different!). That particular term was one taken from social movement literature which can be very 'liberul' at times. With regards to myself events of late 2010, 2011 completely changed my disposition to things but also obviously dramatically changed my engagement with what I study (digital space and soc movements). I was at university when Lehman collapsed, AIG was bailed out, Russian stock exchange shut for two days etc in 2008, was member of Labour party and thought 'this is it, neo-liberal architecture has collapsed, its history now we, at the very least, go to some order of social democracy in the OECD'. Of course this discounted the fact that major powers were happy to bankrupt nation-states in the medium-term in order to carry on as usual. So it wasn't the end but if anything the beginning of an even more intensified period of dispossession, 'liberalisation etc etc. I have to admit I was very lost as to understanding the scale of the crisis and what to do until the student stuff and the subsequent period kicked off. This combined with the fact I have a great deal of time to engage with these things as I am lucky enough to do a Ph.d (state school but by all means feel free to call me a dickhead) has meant my thinking has changed (matured? Heaven forbid) a fair bit - but again this is evident in stuff I have written on at OD (unpaid) and spoken about on resonance fm/ Novara (unpaid) particularly over last 18 months, which people are free to read/ listen to/ shit on etc. What has Laurie said about the Robinson interview?
Couple of quick points first before I get round to giving this a proper reply. First off, no-one's going to give you shit for doing a PhD. Lose that defensive-ness, this isn't about taking everyone who wears glasses to the football stadium and shooting them, there's more going on here than that and you shouldn't jump to that conclusion coz it's wrong. And other quick point is thanks for actually replying in good faith, certainly done more in that single post to treat the thread and the individuals on it with a bit of respect, rather than the barely disguised contempt Laurie exhibited when she turned up.
Oh yeah btw I made some quite specific criticisms of the horizontalism stuff myself in that first point I made to you, outlining some issues that I'd like to discuss that were in your article. If you get the time, before we digress, would you reply to them in detail? Cheers. I'll come back later and give your post a proper reply, busy man me, the glorious Proletariat of Shat needs me for an hour or so I'm afraid.
Steel Icarus
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Seconded
At the time a lot of people questioned her giving him a platform, but also had a few relatively non-snarky questions about the tone of the piece (pretty sneery against him from a class standpoint), whereupon she blocked a load of people on Twitter.
Nigel Irritable
Five, Ten, Fifteen Years
Who exactly gave you the right to unilaterally roll back one of the key elements of the Proletarian Democracy programme like that?
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