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[butchersapron]

A minor influence on popular culture, was what I said. Not modern art. Modern art itself is a tiny corner of popular culture IMO. Especially if you look at popular participation in and creation of said, compared to literature, music, film and TV.

I didn't comment on the value of dada's criticisms btw.

A massive influence on popular culture as well. And you were the one who then went onto to keep it confined to 'art'.

What made you respond in the way that you did to my post? What of it was you challenging?

 

[TruXta]

A massive influence on popular culture as well. And you were the one who then went onto to keep it confined to 'art'.

What made you respond in the way that you did to my post? What of it was you challenging?

The implication that dada had killed off "the artist" of course. The artist is alive and kicking.

 

[butchersapron]

The implication that dada had killed off "the artist" of course. The artist is alive and kicking.

That wasn't the implication. The artist continues. That it shouldn't was the implication.

 

[sihhi]

Representational art hardly died from being hit with a signed urinal either.

What's that to do with the price of fish? There's no reason why it should. MC's art is 90% representational. The left wing of the artist world first under Dada then far-left German USPD and KPD influence (pre-Stalinisation), then under (mostly French) Trotskyist influence had begun abandoning the idea of named artist art, whilst retaining social themes at the same time as rebellion at a middle-class art world.

 

[TruXta]

That wasn't the implication. The artist continues. That it shouldn't was the implication.

Oh OK. Seemed to me that you were broadly endorsing that implication - that it shouldn't. No?

 

[butchersapron]

Of course it shouldn't.

 

[TruXta]

And I'll leave it at that.

 

[butchersapron]

Then what was the point of your post that I initially quoted? Why bring dada into it?

I think that you're misreading my shouldn't. I was endorsing the implication that it shouldn't.

 

[TruXta]

I think that you're misreading my shouldn't. I was endorsing the implication that it shouldn't.

See edit. (you're right)

 

[el-ahrairah]

Now, at least one person on here is an anarchist and knows Brooke Magnanti...

knows personally or knows professionally, as it were?

 

[TruXta]

knows personally or knows professionally, as it were?

 

[butchersapron]

knows personally or knows professionally, as it were?

Trapped now - if i say professionally it means punter and i say personally it means punter. And both also mean in medical role.

 

[el-ahrairah]

i'm sure someone, somewhere, can come up with a spirited defence of pimping from the anarchist perspective.

in fact, if it hasn't already happened... the IWW allow sex-workers in, hopefully not pimps though....

 

[el-ahrairah]

Trapped now - if i say professionally it means punter and i say personally it means punter. And both also mean in medical role.

best not answer then

 

[Firky]

I am suspicious of some of her claims - her own website bio: "Molly Crabapple is an artist living in New York. She learned to draw in a Parisian bookstore, and once sketched her way into a Turkish jail."

But an interview reveals something more normal:



Jandarma take people to police station cells - they operate (mostly rural) police stations and border points. To be put in jail is pretty unlikely - would need a charge for sketching military facilities.

Maybe she's employed by the PKK as an artist and that is why she was jailed

 

[Spanky Longhorn]

in fact, if it hasn't already happened... the IWW allow sex-workers in, hopefully not pimps though....

Yes in the Gypsies, Tramps, and Thieves IU 340.

So do the GMB actually.

 

[el-ahrairah]

allow pimps in?

 

[TruXta]

Yes in the Gypsies, Tramps, and Thieves IU 340.

So do the GMB actually.

That one that Cher set up?

 

[Spanky Longhorn]

allow pimps in?

IWW only allow sex workers, GMB have a sex workers branch and pimps can join APEX

 

[DotCommunist]

a union for pimps. Lordy.

 

[Spanky Longhorn]

That one that Cher set up?

She set up the Union of Vocoder Operators and Allied Singers

 

[Spanky Longhorn]

a union for pimps. Lordy.

No LORDY is the Local Opportunists, Ripoff merchants, and Decietful Yoot union

 

[J Ed]

https://twitter.com/mollycrabapple/status/323785674903937024

One percent world problems

 

[phildwyer]

A minor influence on popular culture, was what I said.

Dada had an enormous influence on popular culture, ignorant fool.

http://www.amazon.com/Lipstick-Traces-History-Twentieth-Century/dp/0674535812

 

[TruXta]

Dada had an enormous influence on popular culture, ignorant fool.

http://www.amazon.com/Lipstick-Traces-History-Twentieth-Century/dp/0674535812

You wouldn't know popular culture if it fucked you up the arse, Prof. Eng. Lit.

 

[Fozzie Bear]

Dada had an enormous influence on popular culture, ignorant fool.

http://www.amazon.com/Lipstick-Traces-History-Twentieth-Century/dp/0674535812

Yes it has. But that book is shit.

 

[phildwyer]

Yes it has. But that book is shit.

It seems dated today, but it was way ahead of its time when first published.

 

[butchersapron]

It wasn't phil.

 

[killer b]

You wouldn't know popular culture if it fucked you up the arse, Prof. Eng. Lit.

you too by the looks of it, tbf.

 

[phildwyer]

It wasn't phil.

Alright, it popularized ideas that had previously been the preserve of the avant-garde then.

Anyway the point is that Truxta is an ignorant fool.