Alex Callinicos/SWP vs Laurie Penny/New Statesman Facebook handbags

[JimW]

AA Gill

I should delete my false accusation and apologise but I'm trying to up my social media profile by becoming the centre of a twitter-storm

 

[Delroy Booth]

Still interested in the moir thing.

Is this is the rumour that Helen Lewis sub-edited Jan Moir's infamous article on the death of Stephen Gately from Boyzone?

 

[butchersapron]

Can anyone point out a one of them who is not oxbridge?

 

[butchersapron]

Is this is the rumour that Helen Lewis sub-edited Jan Moir's infamous article on the death of Stephen Gately from Boyzone?

Catch up. Yes.

 

[J Ed]

Is this is the rumour that Helen Lewis sub-edited Jan Moir's infamous article on the death of Stephen Gately from Boyzone?

If that has any basis in reality why is she already not a persona non grata?

 

[butchersapron]

If that has any basis in reality why is she already not a persona non grata?

Because no one has backed it up yet.

 

[Idris2002]

handbags and shitbags then

That your poor old grandad had to sweat to buy you.

 

[butchersapron]

It seems odd, diff papers.

 

[ymu]

Not related, but Mary Beard got some right loathsome shit off AN Wilson (was it? they all meld into one) for daring to be an older woman on his telly.

AA Gill. He does it every few months. Creepy cunt. *shudders*

I think there was a whole gang of them hurling abuse when she was last on Question Time. Really nasty shit. She deals with it remarkably well.

 

[sihhi]

Pretty sure Molly Crabapple on Jezebel is Molly Crabapple:

comment fits in with her bio of having visited Turkey and Morocco:

Middle Eastern street harassment is an entirely different breed of harassment than US harassment. US harassment involves being called "mamacita" or "nice tits" or told to smile on command. It's the occasional ass grab, creepy look, or, possibly, a guy rubbing against you on the subway. It sucks. We all get it alot, especially in summer. But its manageable.
Harrassment in Turkey and Morocco (what I've personally experienced, and this was while dressed extremely modestly) involved being followed for hours. It involves packs of guys stalking you, not leaving you alone even if you scream at them. It involves constant, screaming declarations of love, and sexual propositions. It involves being heavily groped every time you're in a crowd. You feel like you're walking a gauntlet when you go out, and if you stop on a park bench or at a cafe, dudes converge on you. It involves everyone, including cops you're reporting a theft to, and guys who you thought you were having nice, platonic, 10 minute talks with, assuming you're available to fuck, and jumping on you accordingly.

Also Obama supporter in 2008:

A few hundred for Obama 9/23/08 5:29pm

Interestingly in terms of anti-capitalist action and ideas, here defending "booth babes".
[Ugly convention derived from the 1950s onwards - young women hired on single contracts for trade/business/culture fairs or shows (without any experience/position in said industry) to try and attract visitors to a particular booth and sale]

I've both worked at a booth babe and hired a ton of booth babes to promote my table at comics conventions, and here are my thoughts.
1. It's very hard work to be perky and knowledgeable after 12 hours of dealing with the socially inept while wearing uncomfortable shoes.

2. Being a booth babe isn't a terrible job. It's usually 15-20 bucks an hour, which is twice what you make at a retail job. And, maybe I was an exceedingly stupid girl, but as I remember, there aren't alot of good jobs for 18-21 year olds. Since you're young, you don't have a degree and you usually don't have much in the ways of skills and experience. So you end up doing shitty service industry jobs for crap pay. Thank god you can at least use your youthful good looks to get out of that. Then, as you get older you pick up skills, get your degree, and outgrow the "hot chick" jobs. I'm happy I'm no longer working any naked model/booth babe/gogo dancer/club chick jobs, but man am I glad they were there to save me from McDonalds.

3. At licensing convention they had shirtless firefighters helping the middle-aged female buyers as part of the NYFD booth. Twas wonderful!

As you get older you pick up skills, get your degree, and outgrow the "hot chick" jobs.

 

[killer b]

What kicked it off then?

Rosecore has it the right way round as far as I can tell.

 

[butchersapron]

It's all made up mate. It's fantasy. It's alt-capitalism with cultural capital as kickstarter point. It's hideous, so hideous.

 

[J Ed]

As you get older you pick up skills, get your degree, and outgrow the "hot chick" jobs.

Well, duh, everyone else is just lazy. She's got hers, why ain't you got yours?

 

[sihhi]

Laura loves her boss, her MP and the teachers at her 30k a year school. Meet the new left everybody, a walking talking twittering void of smug obsequiousness.

Also loves other people's MPs like David Lammy

I would vote for him in any election you care to mention, because he’s an uniquely talented politican who cares about the poor and the disenfranchised and the young and the desperate almost as much as he cares about stroking his own ego, and that’s a hell of a lot.

 

[love detective]

Rosecore has it the right way round as far as I can tell.

Even after reading all those explanations I still don't have a clue what has happened and who it has happened to

And is there really someone called Mary Beard? It shouldn't be funny, but it is

 

[J Ed]

Also loves other people's MPs like David Lammy

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/blog/2013/apr/10/margaret-thatcher-mps-pay-tribute-live

Lammy says he also spent time when he was growing up in Peterborough. [He was at a choir school there.] In Peterborough he met people who were inspired by Thatcher, he says. They got the "Tell Sid" brochures and took up her invitation to buy shares.

There were two great revolutions in the twentieth century, he says. The first was about spreading personal freedom, and that is associated with Nelson Mandela. But the second was about spreading economic freedom, and Thatcher was at the heart of that.

 

[butchersapron]

Beard is private school oxbridge type on the BBC train - got some grief from other posh people.

 

[killer b]

Even after reading all those explanations I still don't have a clue what has happened and who it has happened to

And is there really someone called Mary Beard? It shouldn't be funny, but it is

if I can be arsed I'll post when I get home. Beard is that white haired tv historian all the left liberals love.

 

[JimW]

Rather a Mary Beard who has at least bothered to have an academic career than a Dan Snow who is just his father's son, you ultra-leftist deviationists Communism will of course see us all pedalling around Rome interpreting the gravestones.

 

[sihhi]

It's all made up mate. It's fantasy. It's alt-capitalism with cultural capital as kickstarter point. It's hideous, so hideous.

How is the cultural capital built up? Why some but not others?

LP is prominent in discussing the future of anticapitalists see her appearances on "Novara, the Resonance FM discussion show on anarchism, anti-capitalism and the future of the left".

She does consider Molly Crabapple an important inspiration as here:
"Naomi Klein, the writer Bonnie Greer, the brave young women of Pussy Riot, Arundhati Roy, the comedian Josie Long, Selma James, the screenwriter Lena Dunham, the French feminist Valerie Solanas, the British writer Nina Power – am I allowed to say Annie Lennox, MIA and Lady Gaga? – and of course Molly Crabapple, an artist and total badass with whom I co-authored my latest book, Discordia"

Has this been posted yet about Molly Crabapple?
She raised $65,000 from devotees on the internet so she could paint 9 pictures
edit: and the money was raised in just three days from initial appeal

This post from June last year is what got opened at the Smarter Clothes Gallery a few days ago. The kickstarter lovedective linked to features this ironic redbaiting as part of the Q+A:

Q: Is Shell Game dirty commie pinko propaganda?
A: Maybe a little. But you'll find the same scampering fat cats, tentacles, and surreal details that are always in my work. So my fans who could care less about world affairs should still like it.

 

[butchersapron]

How is the cultural capital built up? Why some but not others

Because it 's effectively the same as money +time.

 

[Idris2002]

I make no comment. I merely link you to this guardian story:

"Blood and sperm. The perfect mix," says a tattooed hippy, as he licks both off his hands, having just had sex with a woman in front of a small audience in a Berlin basement. "Life-giving fluids we are all so afraid of. We're so afraid of ourselves! It's all organic." It's not everyone's idea of popular entertainment, but this scene can be experienced at a safe distance in a new documentary, F*ck for Forest, detailing the activities of the group of the same name (without the asterisk). They enjoy confronting society with sex, nudity and bodily fluids, but what Fuck for Forest (FFF) really want to do is save the world. So this isn't just pervy performance art; it's also fundraising.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/film/2013/apr/11/green-sex-activists-documentary?INTCMP=SRCH

 

[sihhi]

Part of it could be explained by us relying on institutions capitalist in structure in left-wing media/intellectual culture (Morning Star, New Left Review, Verso, Zer0, New Statesman - all of it).

So after Zer0 giving an advance for LP. This guy Dan Franklin - Random House's digital publisher - essentially gave a special kind of advance - advance with travel money to visit Greece.

2. What has been your biggest achievement in your career so far?

...Actually, the last two things I’ve worked on, A Clockwork Orange for iPad and Discordia by Laurie Penny and Molly Crabapple – and publishing them either side of the same weekend – that was an achievement!

4. Who do you admire and why?
If I have to pick a handful from other areas, it would be Paul Mason for his news broadcasting, Phil Anselmo of Pantera/Down/Superjoint Ritual etc for a completely uncompromising musical vision and being an enormously articulate spokesperson for personal struggle generally, Werner Herzog and David Lynch for filmic storytelling and interpretations of dreams/‘truth’, and to name a trio of writers: David Vann, David Peace, Will Self – I’ve been lucky enough to meet them all.

Random House gives one of the most important episodes of the worldwide post-2008 recession, and the history of the EU to 2 people who don't speak any Greek and visit for between 3-5 days.

It's not impossible to find a young Greek woman keeping a diary asking her to trim it down, someone else to add a bit of explanation for a specifically British audience and have someone translate it.
Random House a capitalist institution - its concerns are marketing to the left market not actual usefulness to the left or truth or plain non-metaphor writing.

 

[frogwoman]

Pretty sure Molly Crabapple on Jezebel is Molly Crabapple:

comment fits in with her bio of having visited Turkey and Morocco:



Also Obama supporter in 2008:


Interestingly in terms of anti-capitalist action and ideas, here defending "booth babes".
[Ugly convention derived from the 1950s onwards - young women hired on single contracts for trade/business/culture fairs or shows (without any experience/position in said industry) to try and attract visitors to a particular booth and sale]



As you get older you pick up skills, get your degree, and outgrow the "hot chick" jobs.

This is horrible mate just horrible

 

[frogwoman]

It's not impossible to find a young Greek woman keeping a diary asking her to trim it down, someone else to add a bit of explanation for a specifically British audience and have someone translate it.
Random House a capitalist institution - its concerns are marketing to the left market not actual usefulness to the left or truth or plain non-metaphor writing.

all the publishing houses are like that tho ...

 

[weepiper]

As you get older you pick up skills, get your degree, and outgrow the "hot chick" jobs.

Good lord.

 

[frogwoman]

It seems the Lewis saga revolves around her refuses to pull a Storify she made *after* the person in question apologised and wanted it removed. Stavvers made one of several polite requests that went unanswered. I guess they have a history of arguing amongst each other on Twitter over intersectionality and being sensitive to language.

http://storify.com/helenlewis/how-privilege-checking-shuts-down-discussion
http://storify.com/stavvers/my-tweets-to-helen-lewis

Blog about it: notalwaysthequietone.tumblr.com/post/48039614767/a-long-blogpost-about-the-helen-lewis-twitterstorm

Why people took issue with Lewis' Tumblr post:





and


http://helenlewiswrites.tumblr.com/private/47859091039/tumblr_ml72547vSl1rpijql

Seems like a dramatic Suzanne Moore Twitter de-activation plan for maximum drama. Ensuring any legitimate criticism was simply referred to trolling and Lewis was "shouted off" Twitter. (Pretty sure Moran said that).

Why is this important? Its just people arguing on the internet? I dont understand why this has to become a major issue of the day.

 

[el-ahrairah]

I make no comment. I merely link you to this guardian story:



http://www.guardian.co.uk/film/2013/apr/11/green-sex-activists-documentary?INTCMP=SRCH

am looking forward to that film. watching some idiot hippies go lord of the flies in the jungle should be a giggle.

 

[frogwoman]

Why would they think that anyone outside the narrow medium of a few tens of their twitter followers want to know about their arguments on the internet? When butchers calls articul8 a cunt (or vice versa) it isn't front page news in the new statesman and the guardian is it, and this is exactly the same thing, so wtf!

 

[tenniselbow]

Storm in a Starbucks' teacup, anyone?