Alex Callinicos/SWP vs Laurie Penny/New Statesman Facebook handbags
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Zabo
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"@PennyRed My loyalty to winter as a concept is being severely tested right now. Just saying."
At last I know what is absent from my life. A conceptual framework for the seasons. It's not going to be easy. How to reconcile my indifference to autumn and my unswerving and undying loyalty to summer? Not sure how I can fit the rain in to the framework. Maybe I should write to Michael Fish and seek his help? I bet he's well up on the dialectics of isobars.
'And tonight's weather will be more conceptual than usual for this time of the year. There is a very wet conceptual front moving in from Siberia. Time to put up your free trade umbrella so as not to get drowned in concepts.'
At last I know what is absent from my life. A conceptual framework for the seasons. It's not going to be easy. How to reconcile my indifference to autumn and my unswerving and undying loyalty to summer? Not sure how I can fit the rain in to the framework. Maybe I should write to Michael Fish and seek his help? I bet he's well up on the dialectics of isobars.
'And tonight's weather will be more conceptual than usual for this time of the year. There is a very wet conceptual front moving in from Siberia. Time to put up your free trade umbrella so as not to get drowned in concepts.'
Nice one
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but this equally applies to the vast majority of anarchists, including class struggle anarchists. When you have a room full of posh twat anarchists telling you what it means to be working class while hiding their public school backgrounds you know you have problems. When you hear laurie penny saying stuff on twitter, well frankly it's just another voice in the ether.
but why is this important? It is not as though ordinary people don't know journalists are liars:
Ipsos feb 2013 poll:
British public trust not to tell the truth:
politicians (in general) - 77%
bankers - 75%
journalists - 72%
mps in general - 70%
http://www.ipsos-mori.com/researchp...an-estate-agents-bankers-and-journalists.aspx
I don't think anyone will disagree with that but is possible to be posh and not have inherent MC values. Similary it's also possible to be WC and a complete arse. The problem arises when you get a one way version, 'listen to me, I know best, that is why I am on the platform and not you'. A lot of people on this thread aren't hewn from the coal face, myself included, but do have enough experience and interaction with WC that can identify with them. Where as it is obvious the likes of Jones' really doesn't have a clue and merely look up on WC as a specimen, a palette to paint their work with.
(I did get called a WC communist once but am not - they were just a posh twat
)I think when people voted for that poll they weren't thinking of the likes of the people discussed in this thread. More the Richard Little Johns of the world.
seventh bullet
sovietwave
Anarchism to me just looks like a (very privileged) middle class youth subculture. What went wrong?
the thing is why is she important enough to expend all this energy on? I'm not really interested in her, in a positive or negative way, she isn't writing for me and i'm not her intended audience, i'm just amazed there is all this interest in detailing her online activity, as if it mattered.
she styles herself as the voice of the left, goes on telly a lot and is quite annoying, it would be unusual if there werent long threads on left/radical leaning political boards about her, that's what the internet's like
The rebel yell became the rebel sell, man.
*vomit*
(actually it's not such a bad book, read worse)
SpineyNorman
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the thing is why is she important enough to expend all this energy on? I'm not really interested in her, in a positive or negative way, she isn't writing for me and i'm not her intended audience, i'm just amazed there is all this interest in detailing her online activity, as if it mattered.
Why are these boards so important that we expend so much energy on them? Why is it not being so important so important that you have to expend so much energy telling us it's not important?
SpineyNorman
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Not sure that's quite true for Jones. His dad was the militant fulltimer in Sheffield so he'd have been far from well off. I think he has more of a genuine commitment to the politics too. That says more about how shit they are than how good he is though.
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
if I had a thread of near 500 pages all about me I'd probably shit myself with hapiness. Then If I read it it would be you cunts detailing my every flaw and failure and I would have a little cry
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
Of all the things I am banned from which include two snooker halls, one restaurant and a hungry horse pub- the bubble is not one I weep about. Wouldn't mind the wages though!
Indeed. LP is to urban as "King Kev" and other self-styled and self-appointed leaders are to the pagan scene. The threads reduce them back to the size they always were instead of the size they'd like to be.
I'll be adding a few more suggestions for re-sizing shortly.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
"Trustafarian"-types are the reason I'm non-aligned, and have been for 3 decades. Mockney accents tend to distract me.
Nah. Most people in the "twattersphere" don't also have a selection of print and broadcast media outlets to retail their voice through, unlike the likes of Penny, Hundal etc.
Knowing/believing that all journos are a bit douchebaggish and dishonest (a popular cultural trope almost as old journalism itself, to be fair!) is different from recognising/acknowledging that a particular journalist, especially one that says things that might chime with you (if you happen to be a middle-class liberal), routinely manipulates the facts to suit not only their publisher's view, but their own too.
I don't doubt his commitment and he can be quite* good at times, like Laurie Penny can. That thing he wrote about his old man losing a job past middle age was good for example.
(*listened to a presentation of his last year and it was pretty good TBF and he didn't say any of his favourite words).
equationgirl
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It's a reasonable analogy, I think. Whereas in the past women were heckled and abused for their attire (the miniskirt) they are now being heckled and abused for voicing their opinions on the internet.
No it doesn't as you well know.
For some reason you have become disillousioned with your old life and politics, that's fair enough; me too - but don't blame it on your former comrades.
butchersapron
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Hey london media activist bubble types have to defend other london media bubble types.
Fozzie Bear
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Makes more sense now, Ta!
equationgirl
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No worries - I think it lost something when she made it short and punchy. I did think it was good but clumsily expressed.
lucky she's not paid for her writing
equationgirl
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oh, wait....
BigTom
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I'm not sure this is right, Richard Murphy was the guest last week and he said the bbc didn't pay his expenses let alone a fee.
Perhaps he's just a bad negotiator, I was surprised he didn't get expenses.
JimW
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The expenses being the cost of leccy while you have your telly on, or are you supposed to travel to the studio to make you tweets?
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