Alex Callinicos/SWP vs Laurie Penny/New Statesman Facebook handbags

[belboid]

Funny thing is (seeing as I happen to be a paid scribbler as well), is that it definitely ISN'T a sub-editor's job to to change quotes or add portions of text that aren't there. It simply isn't their job to do that. At all.

It can actually be, sometimes. Notably when 'sub-editing' is a shorthand for 'turning your fucking gibberish into something resembling English.' There've been a few columnists who have required similar 'subbing'

 

[ymu]

Not altering direct quotes though. I know journos do it to make dodgy spoken prose sound better (and they should have the skill and integrity to retain the original meaning, which is how come so many of Hari's subjects never complained), but sub-editors should never do it, surely?

 

[articul8]

I've seen sub-editors unknowingly change the meaning of a paragraph through cuts, but it's not a subs role to introduce new elements into copy.

 

[ymu]

I've had shedloads of editors completely change the meaning of my text because they do not understand it properly.

I have never had one change a direct quote from a source.

These are completely different things.

 

[Idris2002]

Blaming it all on the subs, eh? Well, this should win her new friends among the media landscape.

 

[rekil]

Men's stories can be accepted as fictions. It's assumed female creators are all memoirists, and female audiences have to relate directly.

Retweeted by Laurie Penny

That's a peculiar sort of sentiment to choose to RT given the scrutiny she's been subjected to isn't it? If I didn't know any better I'd say it looks a bit like a tacit admission of guilt.

 

[Bakunin]

That's a peculiar sort of sentiment to choose to RT given the scrutiny she's been subjected to isn't it? If I didn't know any better I'd say it looks a bit like a tacit admission of guilt.

Possibly, either that or she's trying yet another oblique reference to her critics all being miscogynists.

And I don't recall the falsified reportage of her mate Johann Hari being terribly well accepted as fiction, come to think of it.

 

[rekil]

From March 2010 blog post about ludicrous scheme to vote on behalf of people from ghana or something. Just for the record like.

I will not be taking part directly, because I'm already planning to use my own vote to assist one of the liberal PPCs in Leyton and Wanstead.

 

[Balbi]

If I find her saying she's voted Tory, do I shout bingo?

 

[flypanam]

http://pennyred.blogspot.co.uk/sear...pdated-max=2013-01-01T00:00:00Z&max-results=4

She's doing a questionaire about growing up male. I guess Me has a story to write...

 

[belboid]

That is one abysmally written survey - even before we get to what miniscule cross-section of men she'll get a response from if it's only posted on her blog. The phrase 'utterly worthless' springs to mind

 

[rekil]

Blog arguing that Penny isn't as bad as Hari, so if she comes clean now then the matter should be dropped: http://www.kernelmag.com/editors-blog/1868/laurie-penny-johann-haris-final-victim/ Needless to say, DAG has endorsed it.

Some tufftalk from Nick Cohen in the comments there.

Laurie Penny is in an entirely different league. Unlike Hari, she is a proper writer with something to say, and she says it with wit and without malice. You may not like what she has to say, but that is because you disagree with her politics, not because she is some kind of fraud.

The curse of the Net is that once an article has been posted it can never be expunged. You cannot obliterate all copies of this sorry piece of work, but you ought to regret writing it, offer Ms Penny an apology and resolve to set yourself higher standards. For, from the evidence on this page, it is not Laurie Penny who has the touch of Haris about her. His heirs and successors are a little closer to home.

 

[butchersapron]

You can expunge it if you're penny - as we've seen.

Oh Nick, i don't like what she has to say because of her politics - you like her because of her politics. The same hole you lot fell in over Hari.

There's a timeline, a methodology and a repeated behaviour and a repeated get out here cohen. Be a journo,

 

[Spanky Longhorn]

I like the way the blogger says

But, unlike Hari, Penny does not appear to deserve such treatment. Obviously, I loathe everything the woman writes, but she’s a nice, middle-class girl whose schtick happens to be Left, where mine is Right. She’s entirely unlike nasty pieces of work such as Johann Hari or the New Statesman’s Mehdi Hasan, who likes to say to Islamist audiences that non-Muslims “live like animals” when he thinks no-one is looking.

 

[Riklet]

This has already been posted on the previous page, but i'm loving her new-found humility, she's all grown up:

I don’t have all the answers. I don’t know whether what I’m trying to do, and what some of the most audacious, inspiring young people I’ve had the privilege to meet over the past two years are trying to do is worth all that much in the long run.

Any urbs willing to admit they were the dreadlocked drunken finger-wagger menacing her with their rusty bicycle? An alternative version of events was probably said person shot her a brief dirty look as she hammered away on her blackberry. Ah a wonderful thing, the power of imagination...

 

[Lo Siento.]

I like the way the blogger says

I thought it summed both of them up rather well actually. It's no big deal to this journos if someone they quote feels like they were speaking off-the-record and that the quote misrepresents what they were saying, because it's all just schtick, hers is left, his is right, no big deal, nobody gets hurt etc. etc.

 

[articul8]

I like the way the blogger says

Did Hasan say that btw?

 

[butchersapron]

That or something very similar, was on youtube.

 

[Spanky Longhorn]

What is completely mad is that the Independent hired her to replace Hari...

I mean is it just lazyness or arrogance?

 

[articul8]

Oh yes :

 

[Spanky Longhorn]

Oh yes :

A different face for a different audience

 

[imposs1904]

A different face for a different audience

Another PPE graduate from Oxbridge.

 

[butchersapron]

A different face for a different audience

I'm sure articul8 condemns such dishonesty, don'tworry.

 

[articul8]

I'm sure articul8 condemns such dishonesty, don'tworry.

I knew something like that was coming. I do as it goes.

 

[Spanky Longhorn]

Has Hassan ever apologised for or attempted to worm his way out of the above?

 

[Kid_Eternity]

Never seen that before...interesting to see him use language like 'no better than the rest' etc...

 

[rekil]

Some solipsistic cobblers about mayday in the indy.

Whatever happens on 1 May, it is doubtful that capitalism will fall.

That's what we do, though, isn't it, on the left? We set ourselves up to fail. We allow ourselves to fantasise about a world richer and freer and fairer than the one we live in, and we try to make it together out of what we have – which may not be more than a mobile library, a lot of papier mâché and the internet, but sometimes that's just enough to change the mood of a nation. And even when we are disappointed over and over again, and we end up standing in the cold looking ridiculous, or see our friends arrested and our ideas ridiculed in public – even then we keep trying until we can't bear to try any more, at which point we have a strong cup of tea and continue.

Or we join hedge funds and cover the mirrors in our houses. For those who continue to envisage a future where human beings can live with dignity whatever their race, gender and social status, being set up to fail hasn't stopped us yet.

We join hedge funds do we? Do we bollocks.

 

[Random]

Just finished reading the very good series by Warren Ellis, Planetary. Wish he'd stick to the sci fi about holographic universes, rather than trying to foster trufax outlaw journalism. Spider Jerusalem would shit his pants with rage.

 

[Random]

"Anyone can write, but to write well and often and for pay can be a hard and lonely job, because to do it honestly requires, at least at the beginning, a certain amount of boring self-analysis whereby professional and existential crisis feed exhaustingly off one another. To be an honest political writer or journalist today is constantly to negotiate and re-negotiate the complicated relationship between conviction and orthodoxy, between critical reportage and activism-as-journalism."

Here in Sweden senior nurses are struggling to get similar starting pay to junior journalists. Stop whining ffs

 

[butchersapron]

...and die