Alex Callinicos/SWP vs Laurie Penny/New Statesman Facebook handbags

[butchersapron]

It is for these reason that I am going to be voting, in my constituency of Leyton and Wanstead, for the Liberal Democrat Party. Not because of Nick Clegg's golden tie, and not even because The Guardian says so. Because I want a new, more representative parliamentary system in which citizens can feel like their voices actually matter. I like the Lib Dems; I don't think they were sent to save us. I'd prefer to vote for a third party that had stronger links with workers' organisations. But the Lib Dems represent the best chance this country has for transformation on a structural level. And, of course, I'm sick of the sight of Cameron's soft, evil face.

twat

 

[frogwoman]

Soft, evil face.

 

[butchersapron]

Getting your transformation on a structural level now eh Laurie? Enemy of the People.

 

[The39thStep]

Oh god, no.

Uncannily like

It is only students that have the intellectual power to take on the French Government and it is important that workers leaflet the universities to get their support.

from Solidarity Avec les Frogs

 

[butchersapron]

A great piece of of writing from the heart that report. Timely and telling.

 

[The39thStep]

A great piece of of writing from the heart that report. Timely and telling.

probably the first in the post pamplet , pre Twitter period that brought Wilson to the public eye.

 

[articul8]

She can fuck off back to the lib-dems and her career. I'll be fighting. She'll be on twitter.

You'll be on here slagging off tweets and blogs. "the cobweb left are irrelevant" yadyadayada - I bet she's getting this stuff off you lot and selling it to entertain the liberal middle classes

 

[butchersapron]

And you're the cunt commissioning it. She does write for you does she not?

I wonder why. Actually, no i don't. I know why.

 

[butchersapron]

I sometimes wonder what it's like being the voice of a generation that's all had it exactly the same.

 

[where to]

It is for these reason that I am going to be voting, in my constituency of Leyton and Wanstead, for the Liberal Democrat Party. Not because of Nick Clegg's golden tie, and not even because The Guardian says so.

lol

repetition of the claim that twitter is the key. The vast majority of people do not spend their lives on social networking sites, ffs.

absolutely, but it is a very effective tool and the more folk that use it the better.

and for info, two months ago i never thought i would ever use the thing and was also a sneerer

 

[articul8]

And you're the cunt commissioning it. She does write for you does she not?

I wonder why. Actually, no i don't. I know why.

She has written for the magazine previously - let's just say her involvement has not entirely coincidentally started to diminish in the same period that mine has grown. So - on this subject as on a few more besdies - you "know" much less than you think

 

[butchersapron]

She has written for the magazine previously - let's just say her involvement has not entirely coincidentally started to diminish in the same period that mine has grown. So - on this subject as on a few more besdies - you "know" much less than you think

Why? because you think she's a liar? A shit writer? An idiot? A useful idiot?

 

[articul8]

Must hurt to hear the liberal commentariat pounce with such gusto on your own cliches.

 

[butchersapron]

You what?

Why did you fire the privately educated oxbridge voice of a generation? You failed to answer.

 

[Kid_Eternity]

She has written for the magazine previously - let's just say her involvement has not entirely coincidentally started to diminish in the same period that mine has grown. So - on this subject as on a few more besdies - you "know" much less than you think

Eh?

 

[butchersapron]

Must hurt to hear the liberal commentariat pounce with such gusto on your own cliches.

Does your mag have a deal with verso btw?

 

[articul8]

No it doesn't, although it could (and maybe should?). Why?

 

[butchersapron]

Yeah, maybe it should

you clueless mug

 

[articul8]

why? Is Verso part of the evil empire now?

 

[butchersapron]

Yes, yes it is.

You get your books for free and now don't you? I love london.

 

[articul8]

Yes, yes it is.

You get your books for free and now don't you? I love london.

Insofar as i do ever get "free" books it is hardly makes up for the amount of totally unpaid voluntary labour that goes into the production of the mag. If you want to talk about books costing too much it should be Pluto or Pathfinder you have in your sights anyway!!

 

[butchersapron]

My hearts bleeds for you and all of london. It really really does.

 

[Kaye]

After Callinicos' retort in the Guardian, it appears that Penny is going to receive an invite to debate Callinicos at Marxism 2011.

 

[frogwoman]

i cant wait

 

[butchersapron]

The voice of a generation versus the voice of the working class!

 

[imposs1904]

After Callinicos' retort in the Guardian, it appears that Penny is going to receive an invite to debate Callinicos at Marxism 2011.

Jesus, the SWP must be desperate if that's true.

 

[butchersapron]

Maybe they'll sing the first two verso of the internationale before.

 

[ViolentPanda]

The voice of a generation versus the voice of the working class!

Will Callinicos speak with his natural accent or his worker's accent, though? That's the important question.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Jesus, the SWP must be desperate if that's true.

I've no doubt it'll be a comedy great to listen to, if anyone can be arsed to record it!

 

[butchersapron]

Red Pepper:

To mark the 40th anniversary of the assassination of Malcolm X and the 25th anniversary of John Lennon's death, Verso is publishing an updated edition of Streetfighting Years, Tariq Ali's memoir of the 1960s

Does he do any street-fighting in this new one articul8?