Alex Callinicos/SWP vs Laurie Penny/New Statesman Facebook handbags

[Fruitloop]

only if he was convicted

I believe that he was.

 

[butchersapron]

It seems Martin Smith's excesses were done in secret but are now leaking out.

Seriously, there's another thread if you want to go and make the same point over and over. Not that you'll be here that long.

 

[Spanky Longhorn]

My dad was arrested for knocking off a policeman's helmet. Does that count?

You dad was Bertie Wooster?

 

[Firky]

You speak of "her privilege": what is this?

Yes, she went to Brighton College, but was that paid for by the college, was she a scholarship gal? I don't know. Do you?

As far as going to Oxford Uni, that's not being privileged: she didn't buy her place, entry is competitive (with quasi-quotas for those without the highest 'A'-level grades), so she got there as a result of her OWN efforts. That's not been privileged, that's the result of working hard, applying herself. (In many ways going to a so-called elite uni can be a burden, rather than a privilege, as it denies the student an everyday interaction with the variety of people making up Britain today.)

For all we know she may be carrying the rich man's burden. (And after all, she's only 26 - something Martin Smith is fully aware of.)

Just saying.

Are you Laurie?

 

[Spanky Longhorn]

Our parents' excesses.



What was my parents excesses? I think they must have done it in secret.

My parents have bought a double fronted fridge with a cooler and ice dispenser that is quite excessive.

 

[Fruitloop]

You dad was Bertie Wooster?

Didn't he steal one? A step in a more radical direction, that.

 

[Spanky Longhorn]

Didn't he steal one? A step in a more radical direction, that.

So you're saying your dad was basically a less radical Bertie Wooster then?

 

[StrangeButTrue]

Seriously, there's another thread if you want to go and make the same point over and over. Not that you'll be here that long.

Well, that's very friendly. And thanks for the old news. Maybe Martin Smith has given you the behaviour modification treatment too.

 

[nino_savatte]

Really? Maybe you should let Martin Smith know - give him something to think on while he's on his way.

Yeah, maybe I'll do that.

 

[Fruitloop]

So you're saying your dad was basically a less radical Bertie Wooster then?

Apparently so.

 

[Bakunin]

Fuck's sake for someone who used to be a copy editor her grammar's awful too

Maybe she's doing her own sub-editing because nobody else is willing to take the blame when she's caught out again.

 

[StrangeButTrue]

Isn't that Fred West? Worrying, to say the least.

 

[nino_savatte]

So, she sounds like Michael Gove, then?

I think most dogs would spit Gove out tbh.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Isn't that Fred West? Worrying, to say the least.

It's either a young Fred West, or a young Phillip Hollobone M.P.

 

[StrangeButTrue]

Something's kicking off again on Laurie's Twitter. Stalking accusations aimed at Alex Wickham.

Maybe it's not Alex she should be worried about. Maybe.

Just saying.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Maybe the SWP will be sending Martin Smith round to have a quiet word.

All in the spirit of the age, of course. Young Spirit. SWP Spirit. Spreading the love.

Mr. Poloshirt on his own? That'd be amusing.

 

[frogwoman]

 

[Steel Icarus]

Something else just struck me about the radio thingy - a small thing, but quite telling in so far as Laurie's chameleoning around for the position of most advantage (if this is fearless then my cock's a kipper). In there she says "quote COMMENTARIAT unquote" with an almost audible eye-roll, as if it's such a stupid fucking word she would never use it herself. Apart from in the speech she gave upon acceptance of the award from among others the Fawkes blog twats:

Social media has been an energising and empowering force for the British commentariat, rearranging some of the old hierarchies and allowing young people and those outside the mainstream press to amplify voices that would otherwise go unheard.

 

[frogwoman]

i dont know who this newbie is but they're creepy as fuck.

 

[frogwoman]

Mr. Poloshirt on his own? That'd be amusing.

read that back to yourself mate.

 

[Louis MacNeice]

Maybe it's not Alex she should be worried about. Maybe.

Just saying.

Neither strange nor true...just dull.

Cheers - Louis MacNeice

 

[ViolentPanda]

Huh. Is that the house that Nick owns? You'd think he'd give her mate's rates.

What, and forego a half-dozen bottles of vin rouge a week? Not likely!

Her room is a damn sight larger than a standard bog, too, unless her idea of the size of a normal bog is 8ft x 5ft plus.

 

[ViolentPanda]

read that back to yourself mate.

I have.

...and?

 

[frogwoman]

I have.

...and?

given what martin smith is suspected of i don't think its particularly amusing to imagine him alone with anyone

 

[nino_savatte]

Maybe the SWP will be sending Martin Smith round to have a quiet word.

All in the spirit of the age, of course. Young Spirit. SWP Spirit. Spreading the love.

Did you say "Spirit of the Age"? Probably before your time but chew on this one.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Imagine that. Mates living in a shared house, like a family. The subtext is look at how we're having to live.

To be fair, Sticky, it's becoming more and more a standard housing trope, what with almost zero availability of social housing, plus static or increasing private rents and house prices.

 

[Steel Icarus]

What, and forego a half-dozen bottles of vin rouge a week? Not likely!

Her room is a damn sight larger than a standard bog, too, unless her idea of the size of a normal bog is 8ft x 5ft plus.

I think the room she compared to was in a shared house, NOT the one in Lezard's gaffe. That one she compared to a hovel. Which I expect compared to what she has been used to most of her life is one. To me it looks much nicer than about half of the rooms I lived in during a few years moving around shared houses.

 

[ViolentPanda]

given what martin smith is suspected of i don't think its particularly amusing to imagine him alone with anyone

I was more thinking of the implications for a bloke who only likes to "get stuck in" when he's in control or he's mob-handed. Martin Smith visiting someone alone, someone not dependent on him or beholden to him, would probably mostly result in a slapping for him.

 

[Steel Icarus]

To be fair, Sticky, it's becoming more and more a standard housing trope, what with almost zero availability of social housing, plus static or increasing private rents and house prices.

Aye, I know. Can't help but detect an undercurrent of "why should Oxbridge graduates have to live like this?".

 

[frogwoman]

Aye, I know. Can't help but detect an undercurrent of "why should Oxbridge graduates have to live like this?".

of course it is because that's what her politics amount to.