Alex Callinicos/SWP vs Laurie Penny/New Statesman Facebook handbags

[Firky]

Aye, I know. Can't help but detect an undercurrent of "why should Oxbridge graduates have to live like this?".

And why can't they be spokespersons of *insert group* because they're standing on the outside looking in.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Our parents' excesses.



What was my parents excesses? I think they must have done it in secret.

I believe that for us proletarian types, "our parents' excesses" are basically "mum went to bingo, dad went to the bookies".

 

[ViolentPanda]

My dad was arrested for knocking off a policeman's helmet. Does that count?

Only if it was the helmet of his cock, not his head-protector.

 

[not-bono-ever]

You speak of "her privilege": what is this?

Yes, she went to Brighton College, but was that paid for by the college, was she a scholarship gal? I don't know. Do you?

As far as going to Oxford Uni, that's not being privileged: she didn't buy her place, entry is competitive (with quasi-quotas for those without the highest 'A'-level grades), so she got there as a result of her OWN efforts. That's not been privileged, that's the result of working hard, applying herself. (In many ways going to a so-called elite uni can be a burden, rather than a privilege, as it denies the student an everyday interaction with the variety of people making up Britain today.)

For all we know she may be carrying the rich man's burden. (And after all, she's only 26 - something Martin Smith is fully aware of.)

Just saying.

You cant help what school you go to and to a lesser extent/ up to a point, the same is true of University at 18 or whatever.You cant help being born M/C.Shes blates very clever, but I have yet to read anything that isnt uninspired & derivative - this isnt the birth of a New Hitchens, despite the fawning of media to get her take on things.

Its the gleeful donning of this media friendly, acceptable , lefty commentary image and radical branding that this self promoting, needy 26 year old works so hard at is what get on people tits.

innit

 

[ViolentPanda]

My parents have bought a double fronted fridge with a cooler and ice dispenser that is quite excessive.

To the workers' re-education holiday park with them, comrade!

 

[butchersapron]

I believe that for us proletarian types, "our parents' excesses" are basically "mum went to bingo, dad went to the bookies".

And in my family the game of chance had a better return at lower outlay.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Well, that's very friendly. And thanks for the old news. Maybe Martin Smith has given you the behaviour modification treatment too.

It's also alleged that he gave your mother some.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Aye, I know. Can't help but detect an undercurrent of "why should Oxbridge graduates have to live like this?".

Fuck undercurrents! I've seen and heard enough cases of her peers actually saying this shit to the media to believe it's an overt current!

 

[ViolentPanda]

of course it is because that's what her politics amount to.

Defence of privilege is very often the basis for middle-class politics. That or the belief that the individual is part of a vanguard.

 

[StrangeButTrue]

You didn't miss anything. Just the usual ignorant spoofing. Something about slutwalks and surprise surprise, the suffragettes. Good game good game.

Any truth in the rumour that the Headquarters of the Class Struggle (SWP Towers) will be slutwalked this Friday?

 

[StrangeButTrue]

Mr. Poloshirt on his own? That'd be amusing.

That's all we need!, shout the Disputes Cttee. in unison (they're all staunch trade unionists, you know).

 

[StrangeButTrue]

neglige, that's something you never see these days. it's all onsies and fucking panda hoodies.

 

[StrangeButTrue]

Mr. Poloshirt on his own? That'd be amusing.

Wouls she be in a panda onsie though?

 

[StrangeButTrue]

Hoodie down?

 

[Fruitloop]

To the workers' re-education holiday park with them, comrade!

Bagsy the fridge.

 

[StrangeButTrue]

given what martin smith is suspected of i don't think its particularly amusing to imagine him alone with anyone

The panda is being sarcastic - after all, it's a violent panda!

Sense of humour failure, send for the doctor!

 

[ViolentPanda]

Bagsy the fridge.

Expropriating the goods of the bourgeoisie for general use is only to be applauded, comrade. The kulaks won't miss it where they're going!

 

[Bakunin]

Expropriating the goods of the bourgeoisie for general use is only to be applauded, comrade. The kulaks won't miss it where they're going!

'For winter sports visit snowy Belbaltlag, part of the Gulag Group. 250,000 wooden beds. One bath. Cuisine by a former chef on a lifer. Huge staff always attentive and vigilant. Once visited, NEVER left...'

 

[el-ahrairah]

i dont know who this newbie is but they're creepy as fuck.

which one. there's about three suddenly popped up here.

 

[barney_pig]

The panda is being sarcastic - after all, it's a violent panda!

Sense of humour failure, send for the doctor!

You arenew here, bit of advice, rape jokes are not appreciated. Please read the nonce thread concerning the naming of people who have been charged with any offence.

 

[StrangeButTrue]

You cant help what school you go to and to a lesser extent/ up to a point, the same is true of University at 18 or whatever.You cant help being born M/C.Shes blates very clever, but I have yet to read anything that isnt uninspired & derivative - this isnt the birth of a New Hitchens, despite the fawning of media to get her take on things.

Its the gleeful donning of this media friendly, acceptable , lefty commentary image and radical branding that this self promoting, needy 26 year old works so hard at is what get on people tits.

innit

I'd never heard of Ms Penny until today. From the few of her articles that I've read you are correct in saying her work is uninspiring & derivative. She's boring &, more importantly, naive, even for a 26 year old.

I find it dispiriting such an untalented person gets so much attention. Her efforts so far deserve only to be ignored. She should be left alone for a decade or so to give herself an opportunity to acquire some fundamental learning.

Obviously, in all likelihood, she won't take advantage of this opportunity: she strikes me as shallow, needy, self-loathing (not narcissistic), insecure; she has found a little fame, is greatly gladdened by this, & will do what she has to do to stay in the weak limelight shining upon her.

It doesn't surprise me she found release in anorexia, & I'm sure that is just one episode of 'failing' in her life so far & in her life to come. She will probably pen more than one volume of misery memoir - let's just hope Martin Smith doesn't make an appearance. It would not surprise me if in these memoirs she were to write of having been a prostitute - partly out of undertaking fieldwork for some articles, partly out of a way to cope with her insecurity, her need to be liked, & her self-loathing.

 

[StrangeButTrue]

You arenew here, bit of advice, rape jokes are not appreciated. Please read the nonce thread concerning the naming of people who have been charged with any offence.

I'm not joking. Stange you saw it as a joke. That's worrying.

 

[butchersapron]

Let's get rid of this one then.

 

[killer b]

jesus. shut the fuck up.

 

[weepiper]

It doesn't surprise me she found release in anorexia, & I'm sure that is just one episode of 'failing' in her life so far & in her life to come. She will probably pen more than one volume of misery memoir - let's just hope Martin Smith doesn't make an appearance. It would not surprise me if in these memoirs she were to write of having been a prostitute - partly out of undertaking fieldwork for some articles, partly out of a way to cope with her insecurity, her need to be liked, & her self-loathing.

you, sir, are a prick.

 

[StrangeButTrue]

It's also alleged that he gave your mother some.

That's out of character, coming from you. We expect violence!

 

[Louis MacNeice]

I'd never heard of Ms Penny until today. From the few of her articles that I've read you are correct in saying her work is uninspiring & derivative. She's boring &, more importantly, naive, even for a 26 year old.

I find it dispiriting such an untalented person gets so much attention. Her efforts so far deserve only to be ignored. She should be left alone for a decade or so to give herself an opportunity to acquire some fundamental learning.

Obviously, in all likelihood, she won't take advantage of this opportunity: she strikes me as shallow, needy, self-loathing (not narcissistic), insecure; she has found a little fame, is greatly gladdened by this, & will do what she has to do to stay in the weak limelight shining upon her.

It doesn't surprise me she found release in anorexia, & I'm sure that is just one episode of 'failing' in her life so far & in her life to come. She will probably pen more than one volume of misery memoir - let's just hope Martin Smith doesn't make an appearance. It would not surprise me if in these memoirs she were to write of having been a prostitute - partly out of undertaking fieldwork for some articles, partly out of a way to cope with her insecurity, her need to be liked, & her self-loathing.

Added unpleasant to boring, heading towards dire.

Louis MacNeice

 

[butchersapron]

You sure showed them commies sbt

 

[elbows]

Who is this alpha fail, brimming with testosterwrong? Ugly and unacceptable.

 

[FridgeMagnet]

It doesn't surprise me she found release in anorexia, & I'm sure that is just one episode of 'failing' in her life so far & in her life to come. She will probably pen more than one volume of misery memoir - let's just hope Martin Smith doesn't make an appearance. It would not surprise me if in these memoirs she were to write of having been a prostitute - partly out of undertaking fieldwork for some articles, partly out of a way to cope with her insecurity, her need to be liked, & her self-loathing.

Okay, that is particularly nasty. Add in the rape jokes and naming and this is one newbie who I think might be advised to look elsewhere.